buck88
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Under 15% and you are ok.
Made $30 on two articles today
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Under 15% and you are ok.
livinitup0
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Is anyone else using adword's keyword tool to increase likely page views/upfront payments?
Im probably doing a little more legwork on my own than most do but Ive found that choosing multiple highly searched keyword phrases from the keywords tool to be very helpful not only for upfront payment but for page views.
Not sure if thats super helpful if you're outsourcing but if you are writing your own submissions its worth a couple seconds to look.
On another note...
Redtide's put together a couple really good threads in here... im wondering though how much longer its going to be profitable outsourcing and selling on AC. In the past month this system has been getting some major publicity in the big forums....Ive even seen it mentioned in AC's own forum. I see upfront payments getting reduced or the submission guidelines getting much tougher because of this oversaturation in the near future.
Id love to know the % of increased business AC's gotten over the last few months compared to how much more labor is going into reviewing submissions and wading through all the crap articles because of this system's popularity. I also wonder if their average $ return on each article has decreased lately. Im also a little apprehensive if this system is going to produce so many $1 an article crappy writers that it becomes even harder for good writers to make a name for themselves online.
imo getting real clients and doing real writing is getting way too profitable for AC to be worth it for me....but I hope for the outsourcers sake that this system stays profitable. Its always nice to have something to fall back on.
Im probably doing a little more legwork on my own than most do but Ive found that choosing multiple highly searched keyword phrases from the keywords tool to be very helpful not only for upfront payment but for page views.
Not sure if thats super helpful if you're outsourcing but if you are writing your own submissions its worth a couple seconds to look.
On another note...
Redtide's put together a couple really good threads in here... im wondering though how much longer its going to be profitable outsourcing and selling on AC. In the past month this system has been getting some major publicity in the big forums....Ive even seen it mentioned in AC's own forum. I see upfront payments getting reduced or the submission guidelines getting much tougher because of this oversaturation in the near future.
Id love to know the % of increased business AC's gotten over the last few months compared to how much more labor is going into reviewing submissions and wading through all the crap articles because of this system's popularity. I also wonder if their average $ return on each article has decreased lately. Im also a little apprehensive if this system is going to produce so many $1 an article crappy writers that it becomes even harder for good writers to make a name for themselves online.
imo getting real clients and doing real writing is getting way too profitable for AC to be worth it for me....but I hope for the outsourcers sake that this system stays profitable. Its always nice to have something to fall back on.
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redtide1969
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Actually, In a way I addressed oversaturation a few posts back.
People were saying "ahh this is oversaturated" long before I even started on AC. When Shaqsquash started his thread about using DNS almost two years ago, pretty much everyone from BHW hopped on it and flooded AC with content. It was crazy how many people started submitting to AC. The AC forums were hopping with talk about BHW and Bh'ers rewriting and mass submitting. I am active in AC's forums and have only heard mention of my book once.
But getting back on point, the people that even back then that tended to say "ahh this is getting oversaturated" were the people that didn't take the time to test and tweak to see what niches, writing styles and keywords (there was little talk about using keywords with AC back then) worked the best for the highest upfront payments. They were looking at is as "hey, let's blast them with as many articles as possible and see what "sticks." By doing it ike that, they were getting low offers from AC and calling it oversaturated.
Fast forward to today...people who have been submitting to AC for awhile and have taken the time to twist and tweak their submissions, build their clout level, become part of the AC community and in general become known to AC reviewers for sending quality content, are still getting high payment offers. It all comes down to how you approach it.
Even back in the day with that huge influx from Shaq starting his popular thread , it never became oversaturated because AC is making such huge profits on our articles (like I posted up yesterday about.)
It pretty much all comes down to giving them good content.
To clarify something else, this thread and my book are not a "system" per se. People were outsourcing AC long before I came around lol. Whether outsourcing, using DNS, writing your own content etc, the source of how the content is created has no effect on oversaturation with AC. Also, I don't even consider my book and this thread a "method" to be honest, but more of a years worth of testing on my part to optimize AC articles, how to get verified as non US, how to handle outsourcing it, and general tips and tricks regarding turning AC into a business.
Regards,
Redtide
People were saying "ahh this is oversaturated" long before I even started on AC. When Shaqsquash started his thread about using DNS almost two years ago, pretty much everyone from BHW hopped on it and flooded AC with content. It was crazy how many people started submitting to AC. The AC forums were hopping with talk about BHW and Bh'ers rewriting and mass submitting. I am active in AC's forums and have only heard mention of my book once.
But getting back on point, the people that even back then that tended to say "ahh this is getting oversaturated" were the people that didn't take the time to test and tweak to see what niches, writing styles and keywords (there was little talk about using keywords with AC back then) worked the best for the highest upfront payments. They were looking at is as "hey, let's blast them with as many articles as possible and see what "sticks." By doing it ike that, they were getting low offers from AC and calling it oversaturated.
Fast forward to today...people who have been submitting to AC for awhile and have taken the time to twist and tweak their submissions, build their clout level, become part of the AC community and in general become known to AC reviewers for sending quality content, are still getting high payment offers. It all comes down to how you approach it.
Even back in the day with that huge influx from Shaq starting his popular thread , it never became oversaturated because AC is making such huge profits on our articles (like I posted up yesterday about.)
It pretty much all comes down to giving them good content.
To clarify something else, this thread and my book are not a "system" per se. People were outsourcing AC long before I came around lol. Whether outsourcing, using DNS, writing your own content etc, the source of how the content is created has no effect on oversaturation with AC. Also, I don't even consider my book and this thread a "method" to be honest, but more of a years worth of testing on my part to optimize AC articles, how to get verified as non US, how to handle outsourcing it, and general tips and tricks regarding turning AC into a business.
Regards,
Redtide
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livinitup0
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when I meant "system" I was basically referring the large amoutn of people that are doing what you do incorrectly and basically screwing us all in the long run.
perfect example...
I used to play a lot of online poker a few years back. I was what was called a "bonus whore". basically I took advantage of sign up bonuses from poker and casino sites for cash bonuses....nothing illegal or against the sites terms....it was just taking advantage of the competition between gambling sites. Kinda like a GPT offer for poker players only for a lot more money.
Things were great for a few years and I was pulling in major cash even though I was a subpar player at best. Unfortunately after the poker "boom" all kinds of lazy people flooded these sites to take advantage of these offers and instead of using cover-play and being smart about it, people did exactly what you just said, just tried to scam a quick buck from the poker sites by signing up multiple accounts (without doing it the smart way), bouncing CC payments, throwing crap against the wall and seeing what sticks...stupid stuff that they knew they'd get caught for. After a while the sites got tired of being taken advantage of so the careful people like me eventually got screwed when all of the sites started using tougher bonus restrictions.
It seems to me that although you and the majority of people on here are doing this the "right" way, im afraid that too many morons will do this the wrong way and end up screwing things...i mean you said it yourself, AC was flooded once before like this too....and from what ive read thats right around when their upfront payments started to decrease.
maybe im just being paranoid, but ive seen good ideas get destroyed by lazy and greedy people too many times on the internet not to be.
Also...redtide, you seem to be a pretty decent writer yourself... is it possible that you could be making more money going after high paying legit jobs rather than outsourcing?
I mean Im not the greatest writer by any means but finding 3-4cent/word clients isnt all that tough.....and when you take in account getting new accounts, training writers, dealing with their BS on top of AC's BS it just seems like putting full attention on becoming a great writer might be more profitable in the long run or at least on par with outsourcing. what do you think?
perfect example...
I used to play a lot of online poker a few years back. I was what was called a "bonus whore". basically I took advantage of sign up bonuses from poker and casino sites for cash bonuses....nothing illegal or against the sites terms....it was just taking advantage of the competition between gambling sites. Kinda like a GPT offer for poker players only for a lot more money.
Things were great for a few years and I was pulling in major cash even though I was a subpar player at best. Unfortunately after the poker "boom" all kinds of lazy people flooded these sites to take advantage of these offers and instead of using cover-play and being smart about it, people did exactly what you just said, just tried to scam a quick buck from the poker sites by signing up multiple accounts (without doing it the smart way), bouncing CC payments, throwing crap against the wall and seeing what sticks...stupid stuff that they knew they'd get caught for. After a while the sites got tired of being taken advantage of so the careful people like me eventually got screwed when all of the sites started using tougher bonus restrictions.
It seems to me that although you and the majority of people on here are doing this the "right" way, im afraid that too many morons will do this the wrong way and end up screwing things...i mean you said it yourself, AC was flooded once before like this too....and from what ive read thats right around when their upfront payments started to decrease.
maybe im just being paranoid, but ive seen good ideas get destroyed by lazy and greedy people too many times on the internet not to be.
Also...redtide, you seem to be a pretty decent writer yourself... is it possible that you could be making more money going after high paying legit jobs rather than outsourcing?
I mean Im not the greatest writer by any means but finding 3-4cent/word clients isnt all that tough.....and when you take in account getting new accounts, training writers, dealing with their BS on top of AC's BS it just seems like putting full attention on becoming a great writer might be more profitable in the long run or at least on par with outsourcing. what do you think?
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I see no reason why people doing it wrong would affect any of the rest of us. They will simply get their accounts banned and it's done with. Again, this kind of thing has been going on for years. BHW is just a tiny "pin prick" of a thorn in the side of AC. The number of people here submitting to them are nothing in the grand scheme of things.
AC is a company with an approximated net worth of $65-$85 million dollars and have thousands upon thousands of content producers both black and whitehat. If shaq's AC thread didn't "oversaturate" it (has something like 200,000 views) then I'm sure that the 26,000 people that have viewed this thread sure wont.
Another thing to keep in mind is that many people will try following this thread and my book's strategies, but will realize that there's "work" involved and move on. People are constantly trying to find that magic pill that allows them to sit back and watch the money roll in without having to lift a finger or take the time to get things setup.
As far as my writing goes, I'm not a big fan of writing to be honest with you, and I like typing a lot less than that. I'm not doing AC to become a writer at all, thus why it's all about outsourcing. I do it to make money without having to do the writing myself.
By outsourcing AC, it allows me time to build other online income streams.
So yea, beleive it or not (considering where my living comes from) I'd have no interest in becoming a writer
Cheers,
Redtide
AC is a company with an approximated net worth of $65-$85 million dollars and have thousands upon thousands of content producers both black and whitehat. If shaq's AC thread didn't "oversaturate" it (has something like 200,000 views) then I'm sure that the 26,000 people that have viewed this thread sure wont.
Another thing to keep in mind is that many people will try following this thread and my book's strategies, but will realize that there's "work" involved and move on. People are constantly trying to find that magic pill that allows them to sit back and watch the money roll in without having to lift a finger or take the time to get things setup.
As far as my writing goes, I'm not a big fan of writing to be honest with you, and I like typing a lot less than that. I'm not doing AC to become a writer at all, thus why it's all about outsourcing. I do it to make money without having to do the writing myself.
By outsourcing AC, it allows me time to build other online income streams.
So yea, beleive it or not (considering where my living comes from) I'd have no interest in becoming a writer
Cheers,
Redtide
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thegladiator
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hey redtide
what do you think will be the keyword, and will it be get rejected..??
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redtide1969
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Hey Gladiator,
You kind of answered your own question mate. If you look at a title and it has no real keywords that stand out to you other than something as broad as "birds," it's not going to be a good one for AC. They'll look at it as "too broad in scope" or you'll get the "we are looking to build a unique library of content"..blah blah blah message)
Also, keep in mind that AC staff monitors these forums at times so if you do plan to submit the article, I would edit your post and take the title out. That's why I had mentioned sending it to me in a PM. If they see this and have nothing better to do, they could ban your account by linking it to your title.
Regarding keywords, take a look at what srb88 and I were saying about the difference between broad keywords and specific keywords.
Good luck
You kind of answered your own question mate. If you look at a title and it has no real keywords that stand out to you other than something as broad as "birds," it's not going to be a good one for AC. They'll look at it as "too broad in scope" or you'll get the "we are looking to build a unique library of content"..blah blah blah message)
Also, keep in mind that AC staff monitors these forums at times so if you do plan to submit the article, I would edit your post and take the title out. That's why I had mentioned sending it to me in a PM. If they see this and have nothing better to do, they could ban your account by linking it to your title.
Regarding keywords, take a look at what srb88 and I were saying about the difference between broad keywords and specific keywords.
Good luck
thegladiator
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hey redtide
i dunno how much time i will thank you...coz u just simply solves my probs...
i will have to check my account on AC
i hope its not banned yet...
i dunno how much time i will thank you...coz u just simply solves my probs...
i will have to check my account on AC
i hope its not banned yet...
redtide1969
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No need to thank me mate
Anyway, yea your account will probably be fine, it was only up there for a short time. I just wanted to let you know asap because BHW only gives you 24 hours to edit a post.
I'm just glad you saw it in time :biggthump
Btw, are you planning on outsourcing the writing for AC?
Cheers
Anyway, yea your account will probably be fine, it was only up there for a short time. I just wanted to let you know asap because BHW only gives you 24 hours to edit a post.
I'm just glad you saw it in time :biggthump
Btw, are you planning on outsourcing the writing for AC?
Cheers
thegladiator
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hey redtide
yeah i am planning to outsource the writing.
....but you know...its very difficult to find good and cheap writers....i have some of them but they ask about $1.5 for per article
they are costly and so i have not yet assigned them any work
by the way i am collecting money to buy ur AC guide....
i have collected about 4.96$ and it will be soon $7.55 as one of my article is accepted and the pay is pending.
i am looking forward to earn $17 and buy ur guide asap
have a nice day
HIDAYAKUMULLAH
have a nice day:tee:
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It does take some time to get your writers together. How many free trial GAF accounts are you running right now? The more accounts you have, the more choices you have in who you hire. You don't have to choose anyone that wants more than what you're willing to pay. Btw, shoot me a PM and I'll work with you about the guide mate.
Cheers
Btw, shoot me a PM and I'll work with you about the guide mate.Cheers
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Any more recommendations on how to find content? Such as product reviews, etc.
I was on a roll for the longest, with only 1 out of every 70 or 80 articles being declined. Now yesterday, I had 9 denied in a row:
"Thank you for your submission. AC is building a unique library of online content, and, unfortunately, this submission doesn't differ enough in topic or breadth from existing content to qualify for Upfront Payment."
Was it just an annoying reviewer? They were in the same niche as what I was doing well in, so I stuck with it.
I was on a roll for the longest, with only 1 out of every 70 or 80 articles being declined. Now yesterday, I had 9 denied in a row:
"Thank you for your submission. AC is building a unique library of online content, and, unfortunately, this submission doesn't differ enough in topic or breadth from existing content to qualify for Upfront Payment."
Was it just an annoying reviewer? They were in the same niche as what I was doing well in, so I stuck with it.
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That was an awesome run without any rejections though. My first guess would be that AC are trying to give you a hint that you need to switch up your niches. It could totally be just an extra anal reviewer that you came across, but when that's happened to me I was able to fix the problem by changing up the niches I sent them.
Regards
Regards
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I am finally getting the kinks out. I am using 2 accounts to post 10 per day total until I have a workable, scalable system. I am finally getting 4 of 5 approved with $3+ offers, and I haven't spent a lot of time searching for content yet.
I will add a bit of advice here: Get RT's e-book(first, of course), read it at least twice, and start small with 1 or 2 accounts. RT gives you all of the tools, but the only way to see if you are executing with the tools is to submit to AC. Don't expand to other accounts until you have good content sources and at least a few writers that can supply the goods with the tools provided.
The hardest part of this is hiring the writers. If you are going to freelance, you are going to have to most likely spoon feed your help...at least to start. Remember that you are paying someone $1 to re write an article. Unless you vet them aggressively(and by the way, RT gives you the tools to do this), then you are going to get poor quality work. Be nice, but accountable and upfront and you will get good writers. There is no other way, unless you get lucky.
Finally, be organized, or you are going to get burned. Use something like Proxy Firewall that will rotate IP's automatically. I suggest a dedicated AC account per writer, but if you don't do this, create a spreadsheet with all of your writers that gives you a daily look at their article titles, AC submission dates, AC accounts they are linked to, approved articles, approval rate. This will give you a snapshot of how your writers are doing.
Use Danny Relic's AC Submitter...it is the real deal, and it will save you hours per day. You are wasting a lot of your time if you don't use it...even if you are giving your writers a good template to use. It comes with a nice article formatter, and I already gave it to one of my writers. Well, that's it. I didn't know that I was going to write all of this, and I don't want it to come off as an ad, but AC is great if you have the tools. Good luck everyone!
I will add a bit of advice here: Get RT's e-book(first, of course), read it at least twice, and start small with 1 or 2 accounts. RT gives you all of the tools, but the only way to see if you are executing with the tools is to submit to AC. Don't expand to other accounts until you have good content sources and at least a few writers that can supply the goods with the tools provided.
The hardest part of this is hiring the writers. If you are going to freelance, you are going to have to most likely spoon feed your help...at least to start. Remember that you are paying someone $1 to re write an article. Unless you vet them aggressively(and by the way, RT gives you the tools to do this), then you are going to get poor quality work. Be nice, but accountable and upfront and you will get good writers. There is no other way, unless you get lucky.
Finally, be organized, or you are going to get burned. Use something like Proxy Firewall that will rotate IP's automatically. I suggest a dedicated AC account per writer, but if you don't do this, create a spreadsheet with all of your writers that gives you a daily look at their article titles, AC submission dates, AC accounts they are linked to, approved articles, approval rate. This will give you a snapshot of how your writers are doing.
Use Danny Relic's AC Submitter...it is the real deal, and it will save you hours per day. You are wasting a lot of your time if you don't use it...even if you are giving your writers a good template to use. It comes with a nice article formatter, and I already gave it to one of my writers. Well, that's it. I didn't know that I was going to write all of this, and I don't want it to come off as an ad, but AC is great if you have the tools. Good luck everyone!
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I couldn't agree with you more about every single word you said blackstone. You did a great job of breaking down what it takes to be successful with AC.
+ rep and + thanks for that
I'll use this oppurtunity to say this one more time...AC is not a magic pill for those that aren't willing to take action and put some work into setting it up.
The longer you've been doing it...
1) The more you'll make for upfront payments, page views, and offered partner calls
2) The easier it will get, and the sooner you can work it on "semi-auto pilot"
Thanks for a great post Blackstone,
Regards
+ rep and + thanks for that
I'll use this oppurtunity to say this one more time...AC is not a magic pill for those that aren't willing to take action and put some work into setting it up.
The longer you've been doing it...
1) The more you'll make for upfront payments, page views, and offered partner calls
2) The easier it will get, and the sooner you can work it on "semi-auto pilot"
Thanks for a great post Blackstone,
Regards
redtide1969
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Hi del,
Yes mate, each editor has certain niches they review. AC does it this way so that each editor/reviewer becomes an "expert in the field" related to those specific niches. It makes it easier for them to keep their offers consistant (although as we all know, it doesn't always work out this way with some of their inconsistant offers)
This is also the reason why it's a bad idea to try to submit any rejected articles to a different account the second time around. If the reviewer remembers your article for any reason but it's being submitted to a different account than the first, it's easy for them to put two and two together and ban all of your accounts.
Cheers
Yes mate, each editor has certain niches they review. AC does it this way so that each editor/reviewer becomes an "expert in the field" related to those specific niches. It makes it easier for them to keep their offers consistant (although as we all know, it doesn't always work out this way with some of their inconsistant offers)
This is also the reason why it's a bad idea to try to submit any rejected articles to a different account the second time around. If the reviewer remembers your article for any reason but it's being submitted to a different account than the first, it's easy for them to put two and two together and ban all of your accounts.
Cheers
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you mean submitting from a different account ?
redtide1969
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Yea, they're one and the same thing mate
Basically, don't submit a rejected article to any other account other than the account it was originally rejected.
Hope that clarified :biggthump
Basically, don't submit a rejected article to any other account other than the account it was originally rejected.
Hope that clarified :biggthump