OGAds, conversion rate down by 50%?

[Neoalb]

Holy crap I thought that's only my imagination but seems like it's a thing o.o. Still no alternative, that's f... up.

tons of alternatives*

 

[qulob]

tons of alternatives*

Well, I feel like every other network is reselling/have worse offers/have the same problem as ogads. Can u bring here some names of these good ones?

 

[Billy Batts]

looks like everyone is having trouble with ogads these days, I have about 100+ clicks and like 8 conversions = $2

44 clicks 5 conversions =$12,14

 

[SH-M]

@bobby.ogads

 

[Cryogenesis]

CPA websites shave a lot. Welcome!

Damn I was thinking of shaving. I guess it is, that would make sense. Maybe they don't shave in the beginning so you'll be motivated..

Thanks!

That's such bullshit. If they really shaved you'd have high CR and low EPC. Don't blame the network for bad traffic.

 

[bobby.ogads]

The Conundrum
Affiliates always assume shaving is the culprit when their traffic sucks. When you have it in the back of your mind that a network has the potential to steal from you, that’s the first place most affiliates go when things don’t shape up for them.

Clicks DO NOT mean conversions.. EVER
Affiliates often send over 1000 clicks with no conversions and automatically point the finger at the network. This is almost ALWAYS a false accusation and here is why. Networks have no motivation to shave a new affiliate testing traffic. Why would a network shave an affiliate who is trying to test something new? The network might get away with stealing a few conversions but that’s where it ends. It would make more sense to shave someone who is doing consistent daily numbers. If you are driving 50 conversions per day consistently, you are much less likely to notice 1 or 2 conversions missing each day. In cases where you send over 1000 clicks with no return, more investigating usually determines the reason. These include bot clicks, poor traffic quality, poor landing pages and sometimes just a poorly designed offer.

Changes In Your Conversion Rate
Sometimes affiliates see a drop in their daily conversions and assume that a throttle/shave is in place. This shouldn’t be your primary conclusion. Understanding how data works is crucial when making assumptions. Depending on your current volume, this could just be a numbers game. If you are in a position that 1 or 2 conversions will put you back on track, don’t assume the network is shaving. Data sets can have highs and lows. Depending on many factors, you might be experiencing a low. Stay Calm and Keep running.

 

[luker2000]

any proof of shaving? nope because they aren't and they never will because its too obvious and detectable all they have to do if they want more from you is lower how much they payout for offers and increase what they take. But OGads is fair they pay good thats why its so popular because they are good at what they do.

 

[Psh]

That's such bullshit. If they really shaved you'd have high CR and low EPC. Don't blame the network for bad traffic.

any proof of shaving? nope because they aren't and they never will because its too obvious and detectable all they have to do if they want more from you is lower how much they payout for offers and increase what they take. But OGads is fair they pay good thats why its so popular because they are good at what they do.

Again, I have NO idea, I am trying to figure it out, hence starting this thread. I am not accusing OGAds of shaving, I'm just asking what the issue could be. I didn't even know the word shaving in CPA until a few days ago, so I was just asking. I don't know if it's common to shave or not, and I am guessing not. And proof, how would I do that?

Anyway, I don't think they're shaving. But there is something weird going on, I think.

I understand that traffic & conversions can change from day to day.. Today I have made 0.40$ instead of the typical $5 so far. It get's worse and worse by the day. If I had 30% conversion rate one day, and 10% next, that would be understandable. But 6 days of $5/day to half that in one day is weird, in my opinion. Now it's been 3 days of 10% conversion rate.

Sure, it can be a bad landing page, shitty offer, and so on. BUT, I had a consistent conversion rate of 25-30% for several days, I find it odd that it drops to 10% all of the sudden and stays like that. That's all.

The Conundrum
Affiliates always assume shaving is the culprit when their traffic sucks. When you have it in the back of your mind that a network has the potential to steal from you, that’s the first place most affiliates go when things don’t shape up for them.

Clicks DO NOT mean conversions.. EVER
Affiliates often send over 1000 clicks with no conversions and automatically point the finger at the network. This is almost ALWAYS a false accusation and here is why. Networks have no motivation to shave a new affiliate testing traffic. Why would a network shave an affiliate who is trying to test something new? The network might get away with stealing a few conversions but that’s where it ends. It would make more sense to shave someone who is doing consistent daily numbers. If you are driving 50 conversions per day consistently, you are much less likely to notice 1 or 2 conversions missing each day. In cases where you send over 1000 clicks with no return, more investigating usually determines the reason. These include bot clicks, poor traffic quality, poor landing pages and sometimes just a poorly designed offer.

Changes In Your Conversion Rate
Sometimes affiliates see a drop in their daily conversions and assume that a throttle/shave is in place. This shouldn’t be your primary conclusion. Understanding how data works is crucial when making assumptions. Depending on your current volume, this could just be a numbers game. If you are in a position that 1 or 2 conversions will put you back on track, don’t assume the network is shaving. Data sets can have highs and lows. Depending on many factors, you might be experiencing a low. Stay Calm and Keep running.

Thank you for your detailed reply.

I understand, if I had the clicks but low conversion rate from start, I wouldn't have asked. But my conversion rate just dropped randomly from 25-30 to 10 and I can't figure out why.

I hope it's an issue from my side, and I'm sure it is, but I want to know what I did wrong for it to change so drastically.

Again, I am a total newbie when it comes to CPA. I am simply asking what the issue could be as I find it odd.

 

[bobby.ogads]

QUOTE="luker2000, post: 10396967, member: 861646"]any proof of shaving? nope because they aren't and they never will because its too obvious and detectable all they have to do if they want more from you is lower how much they payout for offers and increase what they take. But OGads is fair they pay good thats why its so popular because they are good at what they do.

Again, I have NO idea, I am trying to figure it out, hence starting this thread. I am not accusing OGAds of shaving, I'm just asking what the issue could be. I didn't even know the word shaving in CPA until a few days ago, so I was just asking. I don't know if it's common to shave or not, and I am guessing not.

I understand that traffic & conversions can change from day to day.. Today I have made 0.40$ instead of the typical $5 so far. It get's worse and worse by the day. If I had 30% conversion rate one day, and 10% next, that would be understandable. But 6 days of $5/day to half that in one day is weird, in my opinion.

Sure, it can be a bad landing page, shitty offer, and so on. BUT, I had a consistent conversion rate of 25-30% for several days, I find it odd that it drops to 10% all of the sudden and stays like that. That's all.



Thank you for your detailed reply.

I understand, if I had the clicks but low conversion rate from start, I wouldn't have asked. But my conversion rate just dropped randomly from 25-30 to 10 and I can't figure out why.

I hope it's an issue from my side, and I'm sure it is, but I want to know what I did wrong for it to change so drastically.

Again, I am a total newbie when it comes to CPA. I am simply asking what the issue could be as I find it odd.[/QUOTE]





Alot of things come into play why worry about the conversion rate? What everyone should be looking at is the EPC! Earnings Per Click. Also offers come and offers go! Some convert better then others. Try to focus on EPC and not so much conversion rate. All it really takes is a little bit of T3 traffic to lower your conversion rate. Better yet for the guys with world wide traffic use the country break down and check the stats on the top tier countrys.

 

[kaig1]

It's all about traffic quality and your landing pages/lockers, if you have many clicks but no conversion people are not convinced enough. Just try many things and you will see there is no shaving, some things works better than another.

 

[Psh]

Alot of things come into play why worry about the conversion rate? What everyone should be looking at is the EPC! Earnings Per Click. Also offers come and offers go! Some convert better then others. Try to focus on EPC and not so much conversion rate. All it really takes is a little abit of T3 traffic to lower your conversion rate. Better yet for the guys with world wide traffic use the country break down and check the stats on the top tier countrys.

Thanks for that Bobby, I appreciate you taking time to reply.

Yea, It might just be crap traffic flowing through my videos, and since I have more new videos now that might attract people from T3, that would make a lot of sense.

It's all about traffic quality and your landing pages/lockers, if you have many clicks but no conversion people are just not convinced enough. Just try many things and you will see there is no shaving, some things works better than another.

Yes, you are correct, but did you even read the thread, or my first post?

44 clicks 5 conversions =$12,14

Damn. I have 67 clicks, 10 conversions, 0.56$. What am I doing wrong here?

Did you block low paying offers?

 

[bonzo90]

Damn I was thinking of shaving. I guess it is, that would make sense. Maybe they don't shave in the beginning so you'll be motivated..

Thanks!

^ We DONT and we NEVER will shave our users.... i leave that to other networks ... we've been open and honest with our affiliates since day 1 that we do NOT do that

Same here for 3 days ! my epc and cr dropped .. i don't understand shit

^ PM Your Account manager your ID and say, i want a traffic review check for my account

I must say I have very similar problem with ogads. but I'm promoting product offers with bing ads. Usually, when I start promoting a new product I got conversions but then something happens and conversion rate goes down drastically while clicks have doubled.

^ I strongly think you are lying here, we dont allow many product ads to be promoted via PPC on BING -- if you are having a lower conversion rate by promoting on paid ads, its probably because the traffic from BING & is not performing well or your ad is outdated, it has nothing to do with our network.

I have a suggestion for you: CPABuild (not sure how it works with PPC but USA offers convert the best there).

If you want ref link, let me know via PM.

^ REF Fishing??? CPABuild is a joke network for noobs who are re-brokering offers from other networks ... they have only CPA offers and for sure are not the best for USA Offers -- We have exclusive CPI campaigns that no other network has and we offer the highest EPC / Payout than any other CPi / CPA network for USA traffic, please stop trying to get your ref on this forum... NO ONE serious about Incentive Marketing uses CPABuild.

Seems like CPABuild even worse

^ Point Proven!!!!!!

Terrible OGADS is one of the worst. The shave heavy, are crooked and customer support sucks.

^ PM Me your affiliate id and i will personally help you with whatever problems you've got, chances are you have not earned over $50 with our network -- prove me wrong, i will personally help you - hit me up at [email protected] and i will fix any issues you;ve got, we have never shaved and our customer support is on fire, we've got 5 dedicated account managers who work 24/7 which is more than any other network in this industry

^ 17 Clicks and no conversions, this screenshot means absolutely NOTHING on this forum, show me your country statistics

https://members.ogads.com/stats.php?group=Stat.country_code

99% sure you will have clicks from 3rd world tier traffic which of course wont convert like USA .... focus on trying to get Tier 1 traffic and you will see an improvement on earnings, posting a screenshot like this is no help to me or anyone and can easily be resolved or discussed with your dedicated AM ... this could be 19 clicks from 19 different countries on 19 different offers... if you need help, posting it on this thread probably wont help you at all, talk to your dedicated account manager, thats what they are here for!! !

looks like everyone is having trouble with ogads these days, I have about 100+ clicks and like 8 conversions = $2

https://members.ogads.com/stats.php?group=Stat.country_code <- post me your stats from this page on here and i will personally tell you why you are having problems...


GUYS COMPLAINING, TALK TO YOUR ACCOUNT MANAGERS, LOW CVR does NOT mean LOW EPC / EARNINGS

Conversion rate is NOT a massive factor you should worry about, you should be more concerned about your EPC

https://members.ogads.com/stats.php?group=Stat.country_code

Check here and check the country EPC, if its high for USA, Tier 1 traffic then we are providing you the best service out there

Any clicks from tier 2 / 3 countries, will result in a lower epc and will drag your OVERALL epc down!!! please keep that in mind!!!! - anyone with any issues, hit up your account managers and they will help you solve any problems you have...

 

[bobby.ogads]

Thanks for that Bobby, I appreciate you taking time to reply.

Yea, It might just be crap traffic flowing through my videos, and since I have more new videos now that might attract people from T3, that would make a lot of sense.



Yes, you are correct, but did you even read the thread, or my first post?


Damn. I have 67 clicks, 10 conversions, 0.56$. What am I doing wrong here?

Did you block low paying offers?

Yes I have read your opening post. Weekends are always better then week days. Also school is back in now so stuff will slow down. 10 conversions and $0.56 tells me you are getting traffic from T3 geos. TBH I would not disable any offers. Better to make a few cents then none from the T3 geos.

 

[Cryogenesis]

I understand that traffic & conversions can change from day to day.. Today I have made 0.40$ instead of the typical $5 so far. It get's worse and worse by the day. If I had 30% conversion rate one day, and 10% next, that would be understandable. But 6 days of $5/day to half that in one day is weird, in my opinion. Now it's been 3 days of 10% conversion rate.

Thanks for that Bobby, I appreciate you taking time to reply.

Yea, It might just be crap traffic flowing through my videos, and since I have more new videos now that might attract people from T3, that would make a lot of sense.



Yes, you are correct, but did you even read the thread, or my first post?


Damn. I have 67 clicks, 10 conversions, 0.56$. What am I doing wrong here?

Did you block low paying offers?

Your traffic just has been unstable. Go check your video and its rankings and see if any changes happened. Also, did you enable/disable any offers? The OGads mobile locker is smart enough but I've seen people changing the minimum offer amount to $0.3-4 and then complain about low CR.

I've been with OGads long enough to know that they don't shave. Sure, the owners make some money per install but that's the case with every network. Also, if they started shaving you'd massive EPC drops.

 

[Psh]

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I believe you. I really like OGAds, I have had better experience with OG than any other network (not naming names) and I am looking forward to working more with OGAds.

 

[Billy Batts]

Damn. I have 67 clicks, 10 conversions, 0.56$. What am I doing wrong here?

Did you block low paying offers?

Hahaha sorry that made me laugh as I have a shitty week so I guess Im not alone but that is crazy low!

I think I just got lucky that someone went for a pin submit. I've set my min. at 0,30 cents.

CPABuild is a joke network for noobs who are re-brokering offers from other networks

However, they got a nice feature that OGads lacks and that is a landing page builder.

Your traffic just has been unstable. Go check your video and its rankings and see if any changes happened. Also, did you enable/disable any offers? The OGads mobile locker is smart enough but I've seen people changing the minimum offer amount to $0.3-4 and then complain about low CR.

I've been with OGads long enough to know that they don't shave. Sure, the owners make some money per install but that's the case with every network. Also, if they started shaving you'd massive EPC drops.

What minimum you use?

 

[Psh]

Yes I have read your opening post. Weekends are always better then week days. Also school is back in now so stuff will slow down. 10 conversions and $0.56 tells me you are getting traffic from T3 geos. TBH I would not disable any offers. Better to make a few cents then none from the T3 geos.

Okay I see. My drops happened over weekend, but yes you are probably right. A lot of T3 is flowing through for my niche!

Your traffic just has been unstable. Go check your video and its rankings and see if any changes happened. Also, did you enable/disable any offers? The OGads mobile locker is smart enough but I've seen people changing the minimum offer amount to $0.3-4 and then complain about low CR.

I've been with OGads long enough to know that they don't shave. Sure, the owners make some money per install but that's the case with every network. Also, if they started shaving you'd massive EPC drops.

I don't believe they're shaving either. The rankings are still good for my videos, except the ghosted/deleted ones. I haven't blocked any offers. I did block $0.03 & $0.04 for a while, but I stopped that.

Yes of course, the owners SHOULD make $ some from the installs.

Hahaha sorry that made me laugh as I have a shitty week so I guess Im not alone but that is crazy low!

Hahaha no worries, it is quite funny actually. Yea it is a bit weird, but I guess I am getting a lot of T3 traffic.

 

[Cryogenesis]

I believe you. I really like OGAds, I have had better experience with OG than any other network (not naming names) and I am looking forward to working more with OGAds.

Can you show us a country-wise breakdown of your traffic since you started promoting on OG? I always get consistent results. I've been on more networks than you can imagine.
Also, after threads like these you'll receive PMs from unknown people claiming to know networks that perform/pay better but do NOT fall for it. All of them just re-selling the same offers and aren't exactly exclusive.

 

[Psh]

Can you show us a country-wise breakdown of your traffic since you started promoting on OG? I always get consistent results. I've been on more networks than you can imagine.
Also, after threads like these you'll receive PMs from unknown people claiming to know networks that perform/pay better but do NOT fall for it. All of them just re-selling the same offers and aren't exactly exclusive.

Thanks for helping!

Okay I will provide one later, I might PM it to you if that's alright? Haha yea, I won't fall for that. I know that OGAds is one of the best, and I agree on that. I have no plans to change network. I had 436 clicks on another network with 0 conversions, so I think I'll stick with OG.

 

[Psh]

Here we go @Cryogenesis , sorted by earnings/country from start. I sorted by highest payout first, maybe I should've done clicks/conversions or EPC? Not sure, apologies for the newbie questions here. Appreciate the help!