Is Blackhat SEO dying out? [Serious]

[Deleted member 657006]

It is like asking if you can pass an exam by cheating.

Do it right and you will.

Even if you do not cheat there is a big chance that one of your competitors does and if he knows the game you will always be 1 step behind him.

Blackhat SEO changes when Google changes too. Call it evolution/update if you want.

Actually, there isn't white or black hat SEO - it is either good (that works) or bad (that doesn't work).

That correct , just keep up , then your be fine , the more you study the better your be.

Your also need online tools costing around 1k month to realy go for it.

You can use free tolls but such harder To get projects done.

I dont think you can get free metrics or majestic online . Be very hard to succeed without them tools

 

[nisdee]

Possible for sure, my opinion is that it is evolving, but on the harder side

Everything leads to: if you want ranks = spend on adwords

 

[mickyfu]

It is like asking if you can pass an exam by cheating.

Do it right and you will.

Even if you do not cheat there is a big chance that one of your competitors does and if he knows the game you will always be 1 step behind him.

Blackhat SEO changes when Google changes too. Call it evolution/update if you want.

Actually, there isn't white or black hat SEO - it is either good (that works) or bad (that doesn't work).

Cheat what exactly. This may come as a bit of a surprise to you, but Google does not own the internet, neither is it the internet. They don't have some universal rules that everyone must comply to when using the internet and making websites.

This seems to be one of the big problems for people to get their head around. Google is not the internet.

 

[roki4ka]

Possible for sure, my opinion is that it is evolving, but on the harder side

Everything leads to: if you want ranks = spend on adwords

Which user doesn't hate the ads when he searches for something?

I always skip them.

Russians are already working on extensions to block these ads.

 

[roki4ka]

Cheat what exactly. This may come as a bit of a surprise to you, but Google does not own the internet, neither is it the internet. They don't have some universal rules that everyone must comply to when using the internet and making websites.

This seems to be one of the big problems for people to get their head around. Google is not the internet.

I am talking about their search engine, not the internet.

 

[itz_styx]

i do this since around 1999, but the last few years this mentality of "seo is dead" by noobs started and comes back every year. was fun at first, but now it gets kinda boring. "2012 the end of SEO is near", "2013 seo is dead", "2014 seo is finally dead", "2015 seo doesn't work anymore", "2016 seo is dead guys", "2017 is seo dead?", "2018 when will seo die already???", "2019 hello?!"
but suit yourself, its good if people believe its not working - less competition

 

[Deleted member 657006]

i do this since around 1999, but the last few years this mentality of "seo is dead" by noobs started and comes back every year. was fun at first, but now it gets kinda boring. "2012 the end of SEO is near", "2013 seo is dead", "2014 seo is finally dead", "2015 seo doesn't work anymore", "2016 seo is dead guys", "2017 is seo dead?", "2018 when will seo die already???", "2019 hello?!"
but suit yourself, its good if people believe its not working - less competition

Agree agree agreee AGREE lol and pbn please mention pbn

 

[mickyfu]

I am talking about their search engine, not the internet.

I wasn't actually meant to quote your post. Got confused. Was meant to be quoting Mr "turn n burn".

 

[mickyfu]

You seem to be another person looking for long term income ,there ant one , all the changes keep comming , that how i keep up , i dont see any change i can not keep up with , i been doing this since 2013 know with no problams at all .

I think your gel, i bank xxk month while you sit there with 10p a day , keep trying and keeping so legit in marketing .

I think only one person who needs a real job is you mate , i have a real job it called internet marketing.

Insult overs mug , get off the hand outs

Yeah those people churning and burning 100s of high comp huge traffic casino keywords a few years ago must be gutted. Never mind the fact that the rev share is still probably fucking huge, or the fact they banked enough to retire, they obviously did it all wrong.

 

[aidenhera]

i do this since around 1999, but the last few years this mentality of "seo is dead" by noobs started and comes back every year. was fun at first, but now it gets kinda boring. "2012 the end of SEO is near", "2013 seo is dead", "2014 seo is finally dead", "2015 seo doesn't work anymore", "2016 seo is dead guys", "2017 is seo dead?", "2018 when will seo die already???", "2019 hello?!"
but suit yourself, its good if people believe its not working - less competition

by your avatar i thought its @darulez speakin.



But no. blackat will ALWAYS exist. Because google BOSS (i think matt cuts? But maybe not) will eventually retire or/and DIE. YEah life is short. I do not wish him bad. But peaople DIe. AND NEXT google BOSS wont SIMPLY have experience of previous Google Boss. He will try to STAY AS BOSS so nobody will get voted as the new GOOGLE BOSS. none of his choices will be focused on eliminating blackhat. ALL of them will be to keep the boss role. That s how world works. Human are animals that EVOLVED. No afterlife. 60 years or more/less and thats it. I dont want to go into religion/atheist discussion but shit - people have limited age. Matt may still last long but he has more important things to do before his retirement than to act 24/7 as a PURE blackhatter (SO HE KNOWS WHAT TO FIX to make us not manipulate the search engines).


Sure there are google workers on BHW but that doesnt mean anything as their voice in GOogle Corpo means nothing.NOTHING. Matt wants to live rich till the end of his life and thats it. If you think he will tell people to 24/7 stalk BHW and test methods then youa re wrong - thats not right with his BOSS. he could fire Matt if Matt told people to do what he (Matt) wants. So matt just doesnt care THIS much.


PS dont take this too personally. I said google boss but I meant Google Search Engine Boss. matt is from webspam but sure hes high in the tree.

 

[itz_styx]

matt cutts left google already to work for the gov.... dont know who their head of propaganda is nowdays. besides he was never the boss, he was just head of webspam
but since google has gone through a lot of changes and they also removed their "dont do evil" slogan, i wonder why?

 

[Zwielicht]

i do this since around 1999, but the last few years this mentality of "seo is dead" by noobs started and comes back every year. was fun at first, but now it gets kinda boring. "2012 the end of SEO is near", "2013 seo is dead", "2014 seo is finally dead", "2015 seo doesn't work anymore", "2016 seo is dead guys", "2017 is seo dead?", "2018 when will seo die already???", "2019 hello?!"
but suit yourself, its good if people believe its not working - less competition

That's precisely why I normally ignore these SEO obituary threads.

But no. blackat will ALWAYS exist. Because google BOSS (i think matt cuts? But maybe not)

Matt Cutts left Google to join the US Digital Service earlier this year.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Cutts
https://www.mattcutts.com/blog/join-the-us-digital-service/

 

[Abudence]

Yahoo, Bing, Ask, Yandex, DogPile, Duck Duck Go, and GoodSearch.

Google = pay to play

 

[mickyfu]

they also removed their "dont do evil" slogan, i wonder why?

Probably because they destroyed small businesses of people just wanting to get by in life. So they could give their users a better quality experience by having Amazon, Trip Advisor and Yelp rammed down their fucking throats no matter what they searched.

 

[aidenhera]

matt cutts left google already to work for the gov.... dont know who their head of propaganda is nowdays. besides he was never the boss, he was just head of webspam
but since google has gone through a lot of changes and they also removed their "dont do evil" slogan, i wonder why?

Yeah that snowden shit - usa NSA tells Microsoft to release WIn 10 for free and install backdoors and skip one numer (9) because psychologically number 10 means IMPORTANT good shit. probably Microsoft got paid incedibly good frrom NSA (government) for that W10 (lets make it real - all windowses are the same with small things edited/improved that COULD BE RECEIVED AS REGULAR WINDOWS UPDATES FOR FREE. But W10 was free. WHy? DO you think they did it because they dont care about money? So they lied to whole world while selling "new windows version (XP>vista>7>8>10)" TO EARN money. Thats alright. Everyone would do the same. Then why 10 was free? BEcause their souls are legit? NO. No it was deal with NSA as everyone cares about money (human is human). W7/W/8 differencies to W10 sure costed a lot (even if its mainly UI) so why they would release it for free? To see how you fap and track your telemtry. That SOPA (tracked/recorded internet) shit even if disagreed in certain countries by law its sure still tracked but in the shadows.





TLDR - blackhat will exist because WEBSPAM boss (matt or next one) will NEVER be as determined in his aim (removing blackhat from existence) as Blackhatters are.(Matt and next bosses are ALREADY SET IN LIFE, so he doesnt care as much as we do (WE ARE NOT SET IN LIFE). he just does his job. not taking it personally (LIKE WE SEO'ERS DO).


We want to NOT waste 40 years of life in 8 hours/day job so we do SEO. Google workers AIM is not AS important AS OUR is. they alreayd have good job.

PS IM DRUNK DONT So take that in mind

 

[Sombrero]

I don't really care. I just like to post non-sense messages in the lounge forum!

 

[marly]

I feel like there is always a way, as long as you stay up to date and follow your intuition.

Also, don't follow the sheep, but be a loner sometime.

You may follow something because it has gotten x successful journeys, but tweak it, adjust it or learn from it. Sometimes it seems too many people want to duplicate. But there's always a way, always a hole in a system somewhere.

And you hear that from not even the most experienced BHW'er out there, but even I can see that there is more to it then just try, and if you fail, giving up.

It may have become harder because more people know now. A lot of people therefore feel demotivated, and give up, or turn their heads. But if you look at these forums, there's still a good percentage that's earning some real cash.

Sometimes it is, persevering, daring to think outside of the box (even the BHW box), and holding on to something. I may not happen in a week. It may not happen exactly that way you dreamt about, but with a little tweak, another color, style, a little bit different topic? There might be your moment to shine.

What I'm trying to say is, Blackhatting is and will always be a challenge. Getting to the top 1 page is no easy thing anymore, for being one of the most popular subjects here. How many practice it? Some million? Before it sure has been a lot less. So driving through the crowd now isn't easy anymore. You could say that it can even be impossible, therefore, thinking outside the box, finding other ways to drive through the roof, sometimes might actually work. Just persevere.

 

[rafark]

Pp

I can sum this up quite quick and basic. I have seen many churned parasite recently, so no. It may be dying for the people who are still insistently doing the same thing they were doing five years ago, but that does not mean BH SEO is dead.

Back to blue!

 

[SprintDating]

It is a serious question, is BLACKHAT SEO dying out slowly? Since begining of this year (2017) its taking even longer than before to see the impact of backlinks and mostly the alghoritms catch up on everything, I'm serious, buying links still works but you have to spend so much $$$ to even move and to get to top 5 is costing enormous amounts of money (for medium - low competition keywords)

Seriously, even low comp keywords are taking soooo long to see any effect and its getting tougher and tougher soon it will come to the point that it will be too expensive to even move to 2nd page and not profitable anymore, which of course is the point of all this.

Google adwords taking so many spaces on 1st page that is it becoming ridicilous, seriously by end of 2018 BLACKHAT SEO might get too expensive except enormous agencies with clients with deep pockets.

What are your thought, seriously Im asking this, don't troll ffs.

Whitehat still works and will work in future, but earning some serious $$ is going to take you eternity.

I think if you chose a niche that is not fully dominated, the techniques will still work. I just think if you choose a genre like dating, shopping, weight lifting, diets, etc, then you are running into even more competition than you did in the past. But if you find a niche that is gaining in popularity or even better, has not been tapped yet, then you should be able to attack that genre as you normally do and make gold.

 

[Brian Alexander]

The game is the game.
However, in my experience, it now takes more expertise and money to rank.
Gone are the days of buying a $10 VPS and blasting away.