Anyone else have sape sites hit today? I lost all sites with sape links as did 2 other people so far. dropped 200+ places
Anyone else have sape sites hit today? I lost all sites with sape links as did 2 other people so far. dropped 200+ places
I also lost few sites with SAPE and without SAPE. Seem that google target SAPE links and product keywords
Eager to know more about it. How come google penalize only SAPE? its only SAPE or all foreign language links. I never used SAPE but my sites has foreign language links and its ok, din't got penalized.
my sites are also OK uptil now, but i have never used SAPE network.
guys, this is about sape. if you don't have sape links, you don't need to say your sites are ok.
no changed for most of my sites, few ups and few downs... may be you were hit due to lack in link profile/anchor diversity?
From my understanding only lower quality sape links were hit..
what was the quality of your links?
sape is still fine and it seems today was a big update which had to do with something else.
Any update guys? Those with sape link... It's worrying sight...
sites where I used sape heavily have dropped off the map. cancelled all of my sape subs today.
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still hard to say. i had soe banned domaisn com,eback to top10 today..
From my understanding SAPE doesn't leave much of a footprint? But I haven't bought any sape links. I guess G has enough money to go on a sape spending spree though if they wanted to send shockwaves to scare people. Or it could be they found some footprints to take it down. Interested to hear from more sape users.
Last edited by ibmethatswhoib; 06-12-2013 at 06:50 AM.
Nope, still doing fine.
Although I diversify where I get my links from.
Worrying since I've just subscribed to a service...
No hit SAPE sites up to now. Nearly 50 different campaigns, several different languages and all kinds of niches, over 400 keywords. No footer links, only sidebar and contextual ones, well-diversified link profiles (less than 10% with the main keywords), lots of naked, branded and generic backlinks.
it could be the web 2.0's back-links. some are saying that's a red flag
No SERP movement for me other than #4 from #5. I can't believe you guys litterally can think that 'SAPE' was hit. Instead you should take a deep look at your linkprofile. How natural is it to have a linkprofile 100% of links like SAPE. Tell me.
Although we aren't using SAPE for our clients - we're still doing well even with authority footer links:
Quality content is also important.. you can't just spin using unique article wizard or the article builder, you have to manually pay someone to create a high quality spinnable article
It's essential you use social signals as well
A lot of sites that were hit, were not having their site mentioned on google plus status updates or any social sites at all
These factors are becoming more and more important
I'm taking care of my clients - and building the right kind of links for my clients at the right pace, so they can see favorable results over the next couple months
Sape is not hit yet, u can see many guys still ranking page 1 using sape links. If your links profile is 100% sape links then you might be hit because that's very unnatural, people who did diversity are still ranking.
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My rankings dropped for some terms and other terms are still ranking for that page :/
You reckon we can get the ranking back if we diversified abit more?
My rankings were increased after i bought sape service from this site,about 10 days ago and my sites are still going goog and ranking well but accord. to candybar,yes i did concentrate on social signals,so maybe that is why my sites aren't hit unlike the others.
Still ranking well..But I'm Using Some other Diversified Links as well to Mix Them up
If you use all the one link type ie: footer then your a fool and will sooner or later be hit, it does not take a genius to work this out! Some of our clients that did this were slapped today the majority (smart clients) are still holding strong because they diversified their link profiles and anchor texts!
Cutts already made a tweet about this and there has been a thread, I love how everyone jumps on the sape is evil band wagon anytime google rolls somethign out, see here:
Last edited by t0mmy; 06-12-2013 at 04:56 PM.
indeed, just get a diversed profile and nothing will happen
People I know with SAPE are saying their sites are fine.
Its always better to diversify your links and use some unpopular network.
Why would this come of any surprise? If you put all your eggs in one basket and someone steals that basket then guess what your fucked.
Diversification should be a common standard in business and of course in your SEO methodology.
Almost everything BH/WH/GH comes down to common sense. If it looks like shit, tastes like shit and smells like shit. Then its probably shit!
So if your link profile looks like spam and it looks completely unnatural then be prepared for a slap.
Last edited by Botwiz; 06-13-2013 at 03:51 AM.
do they compare website traffic to links? like if you have 1000's of back links and not too many visits does that look unnatural?
I have both with and without sape links!
None have been penalized as I use sape links for high competition keywords ALONG with web2.0, social bookmarks, Social networks, forum profiles, relevant blog comment and Private blog.
ITS ALL ABOUT DIVERSIFICATION.
ONLY SAPE LINK may cause problem.
My sites are ranking very good. But i don't use SAPE.
My sites are ranking fine, I used a few SAPE links as well.... diversification is the key.
Build quality links with quality content and proper anchor text variation and of course with some diversification in the link profile... you will be good (I think so)
I think we are at a point where we must think that Google update literally don't exist.
If you build pure black hat sites, they are going to fall some day.
If you build pure white hat site and unless you are a really big authority site, you are going to fall some day.
So, just rank site using various kind of links (Use VARIOUS kind of links. It will surely increase number of days where your site will stay ranked. Also, keep building links consistently. This is what I have experienced recently. Consistent link velocity is important).
Forget there are any updates whatsoever.
If your site falls, try to rank it again.
Or else, start again with new domain.
I got a product keyword hit from #2 to #5. My link profile is natural and diversified enough.
my website got penalized and when i google i found blackhatworld and now I joined here to know more.
My tale - it's just a day that was always coming. Never a doubt. But I've made a lot of cash with the help of SAPE and want to thank the guys behind it. Roll with the punches - adapt - survive - move on. That's been SEO since I started. My SAPE subs paid for themselves 50x over. No problem with the service or the profits.
So - in detail (video and blog post link below)
2 SAPE promoted sites (both promoted with nothing but SAPE) de-indexed this morning.
1 that was only partially promoted with SAPE (lots of variation) abso-frikking-lutely hammered to a position far lower than it was before I started using SAPE
Had 2 "unnatural links" notices as well.
Another site that I only started SAPE for in May (links from a different SAPE vendor - maybe using a different subset of the overall SAPE network) doing ok...so far.
Fact is Google seem to have finally infiltrated at least part of the SAPE network.
In this case DIVERSIFICATION WILL NOT HELP
When Google punish a site for using bought links that is the "beginning...middle... and end" of it. They couldn't give a fuck how nicely your site was optimized and how good your links were before you started buying them. Once they see you've bought network links they rip your ranks no matter what other metrics are involved.
BMR did this 2 years ago, Linxboss also - SAPE is getting it now.
Whether like Pokemon they "catch 'em all" who knows. But checking here Warrior and Traffic planet this SAPE slap is very wide spread.
I can;'t complain - the sites in question made a fortune in those weeks and months - and I reckon even if I have to start again with new domains I'm still very much up on the deal.
No complaints from me. That's SEO. If anyone thought a network as visible and large as SAPE was going to last forever - or even more than a few months - they were fucking stupid.
No way were google going to sit in the bath with a turd that large floating around them fucking up their ranks and not take massive action at some point.
Time to check your ROI - adapt and move on. Cause that IS SEO. always has been - always will be. If you can't stick it your in the wrong job.
Hope the SAPE guys made a fortune (of course they did ) and come up with another winner soon. I for one will likely be in again.
Here's my mess in video and blog post form
I respect you Scrittyand your post post always! But still I have website both backlinks with sape and without sape. Both are very much safe till now reason I use quality diversified backlinks.
If you mean "DIVERSIFICATION WILL NOT HELP" and sape backlinked website will get penalized without minding anything else the SAPE LINKS WILL ONLY USED FOR NEGATIVE SEO.
What my point is Google wont do it in the whole to penalize all website which are all using sape instead they can de-evaluate sape links may be in future and always DIVERSIFICATION WILL HELP
It was stupid of Google to go down this road as it made negative SEO using these links so fucking easy. Buy 10 links a month - spread them among 10 competitors and kill them all. With BMR and Linxboss a single paid link = sandboxed
They might just ignore them now and leave users paying for nothing rather than paying for the priviledge of destroying their site. It would make more sense.
The one site that was untouched is going strong - and remains at number 4 today for a 1.2 million exact match term with nothing but SAPE
It's gone from PR0 to PR3 in 7 weeks and is paying for itself many (many) times over. So I'm going to keep SAPE running on that one. Even if it got killed tomorrow I've banked so much from it that I could/should be more than happy with the ROI in terms of cash and time.
I hope you are right and diversification works this time. It would make sense for that to be the case - else negative SEO using SAPE would just be too easy.
Last time it didn't and one paid link = sandboxed. I respect your point of view - it is after all common sense what you are saying - and exactly the best advice for most forms of SEO.
But.... unless you have information that Google have definitely changed their policy since the days of sandboxing BMR and Linxboss - as sensible as that change might be for them to implement - Then I'm going to hope for the best BUT plan for the worst.
Google can not win against BH for a simple reason: while it might take me as little as 1 day to deploy a twist/method, it would take google a mainstream/overused/poorly-implemented BH technique and a bunch of time to build a filter for it. Aside from that, if you do BH right it is extremely difficult maybe even impossible to detect, even if a manual moderator is involved.
About SAPE and other methods - until Google kills a method people that are hitting it hard make tons of money, then they just twist the method a bit.
I have very little overhead and can put up several new sites using new methods every frikking day. I can change my linking policy almost by the hour. I go for a walk, chat to some of my good mates here on BHW (you guys know wo you are) and before a day is out we are running again with a new system that's invariably dirt cheap, quick and twisted.
Google maybe catch up a year -eighteen months later. By then we've made 1000x our investment and moving on again is no real issue.
In the mean time creating some sites that Google will "probably" like for the long term alongside.
You read these evangelising White hat posts on serious SE websites and they always seem to describe an archaic and failed Black Hat methodology "Ham and Spam"
No one who has been gaming Google for more than a year or two is using the methods that these self righteous priggs are talking about.
They talk about BH being all gazzilions of spammy blog comments and forum spam, shitty sites and spun content both onsite and off.
Yeah - that will probably fail Good argument - you win... But..
WE DON'T DO IT LIKE THAT ANY MORE AND HAVEN'T FOR FUCKING YEARS. AND YOUR POINT IS ??????
So you've beaten us with a straw man argument dismissing methods we gave up on in 2009 as crap
.. AND WE ALREADY KNEW THAT. WE KNEW IT BEFORE YOU - BECAUSE THAT IS OUR BUSINESS! WE'VE MOVED ON LOOOOONG AGO!
As MO says - we win becasue we are FASTER we win precisely becasue we are HUNGRIER and some of us win because a single spark of genius will always beat decisions made "as a committee"
No matter how many IQ 140+ people Google employ, as soon as a decision and design process has to pass through dozens of them over a period of months WE WILL ALWAYS WIN
"A camel is a horse designed by committee!" is one phrase (not fair on camels but you get the idea).
If Google can safely iterate and renew their entire index policy inside 48 hours they "might" stand a chance.
That day will never come! It's not even in Google's interests to make it come. They aren't internet police, they are a profit making organization designed primarily for increasing shareholder dividends and stock value.
The rules of pareto apply to them regarding the cleanliness and "White Hat" of their index 80-20. Above 80% the required cost, time and effort begins to increase expotentially. It's a rule for all businesses not just web indexing
Some of us can make a serious living in the 20% and Google have never shown the slightest real interest in stopping us.