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Your own two hands: The next great SEO tool?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by ThopHayt, Jan 19, 2013.

  1. ThopHayt

    ThopHayt Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Seems to me that the more Google/Bing/Yahoo update their algorithms the more people who use blasting software get hammered. Back in the day all you needed was a few articles, TBS, Senuke, and SB and you could blast almost any site up in the rankings. Today I see with my work that this thinking is doing as much harm as good to my sites.

    Worse yet, since I deal with long-term money sites rather than churn and burn sites I can't afford to gamble and lose. So what I have noticed happening is people keep "following Google" with how they use their tools. First they started saying articles need to be longer. Then they said they need to be more unique, then they said they need to be human readable, then they started saying to add photos and unique videos... essentially making using automatic tools so time-consuming it's almost become pointless. If it takes me longer to spin an "ultra spun" article than it would just to write 15 different new articles I'm just going to write the articles. And if I need to tweak the settings on my software and create and load tons of unique videos then I might as well just post that crap up myself along with the articles I just wrote. Especially if 5 very HQ links are better than 50 mediocre ones by some software

    My point is that the software is NOT able to give me the quality of content that Google demands anymore without taking almost as much time/work as simply manually posting using my own two hands. Almost everything is getting slapped and if you care about your money site, you only want the best possible content going to it. So manual seems to be the only future unless somebody invents something for writing/spinning that entirely changes the game.
     
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    nope, there will be always automated tools. G uses automated software, so can we. Just the way of use changes from time to time..
     
  3. Alonzx

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    bots are to automate what the humans do.
    it not a matter if humans do backlinks or bots do, its the quality of the backlinks they make. and you can do quality backlinks with bots. just as if you made the backlinks with your hands.
     
  4. ThopHayt

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    Time is the issue here. If it takes me 10 hours to create ultra spun articles and I could make 20 manual 100% unique posts in that same 10 hours then I'd be better off doing it manually. Any tool you use is gonna leave a foot print. And this only becomes more and more true moving forward.

    Back when I could spin one article in 5 minutes and post it 25 times with senuke/ud and get results tools make sense. Today... it makes a lot less sense.
     
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    It actually depends on how you use them.. I am familiar with some sites which are ranked on the top for really competitive keywords just by using Scrapebox blasts. Everyone suggests you to go the white hat way and it's even preferred to use that way since then you have more chances of getting in the top results. But if you are familiar with tools and have done your proper research and case studies then you can use the automated tools as well to get a website ranked in the top results.
     
  6. ThopHayt

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    Here's what worries me though, for a long-term money site do I even want to risk "white hat" blasts etc when in the future Google may start penalizing them? The key issue here being long-term. If I were trying to rank a site for ad's, or to churn and burn then I wouldn't care at all... but automated tools aren't offering the same quality yet as my manual posting and the ones that get close take nearly the same amount of time. The game is getting more time consuming. And I'm not seeing a way around this problem :(
     
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    spinning is for backlinks. Im not sure if that google has figured out a way to detect non-sense spun articles without killing human-made articles by mistake. If google can, please let me know how.
     
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    Horrible idea. Most software is crap and its fairly easy to discover why its crap ... good natural-looking link building doesn't come easy. Building networks of sites with logical link pyramids built over time, that don't use the same templates used by the most popular software, the best way to do that is to create your own.

    Zennoposter or sick submitter, carefully create your networks using decent link velocity (steady linking over time), etc.

    Otherwise you're just working a very low paying job if you're manually building everything, unless you go heavy on the best whitehat techniques, create awesome linkbait or viral applications, useful infographics, etc. You're not going to get anywhere quick just writing articles and hoping people link.
     
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  9. Future

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    From reading your post, correct me if I am wrong, is most of your time is being spent on creating content.

    There is no tool that can help with FAST (good) content. What I mean by that is, there is no tool that can make human readable and unique ultra spun articles FAST. There never has been a tool that can do this and problably won't be for a long time. It's just back then you could use shitty content and spam away and now that you have to use decent content its taking longer.

    What you have to do with content now is outsource that part. Yes the game has changed meaning you have to spend more money now. Spending 10+ hours on a ultra spinnable article is a waste of time If you have the cash to outsource. These Tools SEnuke, UD, Magic Submitter, Ect.. still do their main job which is to take your content and submit to different sources, and they still do it faster than you ever could manually. There job never was to make generating content faster unless your using spun garbage.

    Quality content is the time consuming part only if you do it all yourself. If you outsource the content these tools still save a huge amount of time.
     
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  10. motzart

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    Here's what I do.

    Focus 50% of your energy on creating AMAZING content for your own site.

    Focus 30% of your time creating amazing content from other sources, videos, podcasts, GUEST POSTS, etc.

    Then focus the last 20% on SEO/social media.

    This way ensures you have a diversified output of your work that will turn into serious value down the line.


    Also, I actually talked about my favorite uses of a few different automated programs for SEO... and it's very relevant because I completed the study just a couple weeks ago, using mainly magic submitter. Take a look here.

    Thanks
     
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    Yes SPAM software will often get you in trouble. Manually posting articles and unique content will help you in the search engines. One way is to get links from other blogs inside content another way is just to add link in content on your own blogs. Both help rankings and more content for your blog will get you more search terms. Think of this when creating a blog post on a new or old blog or on a guest posting opportunity.
     
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  12. ThopHayt

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    But auto posting the articles in a HQ fashion with varied layouts, unique pics, etc requires so much set up that it too isn't a TON faster than manual... and on my t1 it seems worth the extra time. I guess this is my main point.
     
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    You keep mentioning that if creating a superior spun article takes as long as writing 20 or so unique articles that you would rather write the unique articles instead for your tier 1. However, creating a USA doesn't create 20 unique articles. If you do it right, it creates thousands and thousands of unique articles. Sure, I can spend a whole day creating an article (and I do mean all day long) but it will often last me throughout an entire campaign. Also, it's readable so there's no danger to my site.

    Manual SEO done by your own hands will always lose to someone who includes automated systems in their strategy. It's just a matter of scale. You can't compete with someone able to put out 10x the content as you with the nearly the same level of quality.
     
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    not correct ...

    Buy Unqiue articles with Images > Use software's to post


    A software is as good as his Master -- use it wisely and reap benefits
     
  15. johny022

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    so far none of my sites get hammered..