Hello, I believe this is my first post in these forums, (it might likely be my last as I don't post often). 1st off let me say that anyone who reads this and believes it is their get rich quick secret should just bugger off, because it is not. 99.9%~ of the people on here that promise wealth will rip you off, simple as. I have read numerous threads on this forum and it still surprises me how little everyone knows. To properly learn blackhat SEO you should first know the fundamentals (+ alot more) of "Whitehat SEO", this means how to properly structure your pages, keyword density, outbound links and the general reason why sites actually rank. * Again if you do not understand the basics of SEO, you will never win. ** Please repeat these words "to rank in google, I need to know what users want". Now bring on the laughing and the onslaught of idiots saying Iam wrong, but these idiots have never ranked in Google and probably never will, to win google over you need good content + a site that will keep that SE traffic coming back. It may sound simple but no amount of caffeinated, markoved, shuffled or translated content will save you..... Sure it may bring some short term traffic but if you want to be doing this the rest of your life you need to think OUTSIDE the box, mega cliche huh? But it's true if you want to survive on automated systems throughout 2009 then you should not tell anyone about them, but even then you will have to build some sort of stickyness onto your site otherwise the BORG will get you, with their massive amounts of data. Thanks for listening, and ignoring.... have a good day boys & girls and hope you all have a good New Year!