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You will never learn BH till you learn WH - My Happy New Year Post

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by keyser, Dec 30, 2008.

  1. keyser

    keyser Junior Member

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    Hello,

    I believe this is my first post in these forums, (it might likely be my last as I don't post often).

    1st off let me say that anyone who reads this and believes it is their get rich quick secret should just bugger off, because it is not. 99.9%~ of the people on here that promise wealth will rip you off, simple as.

    I have read numerous threads on this forum and it still surprises me how little everyone knows. To properly learn blackhat SEO you should first know the fundamentals (+ alot more) of "Whitehat SEO", this means how to properly structure your pages, keyword density, outbound links and the general reason why sites actually rank.

    * Again if you do not understand the basics of SEO, you will never win.
    ** Please repeat these words "to rank in google, I need to know what users want".

    Now bring on the laughing and the onslaught of idiots saying Iam wrong, but these idiots have never ranked in Google and probably never will, to win google over you need good content + a site that will keep that SE traffic coming back. It may sound simple but no amount of caffeinated, markoved, shuffled or translated content will save you.....

    Sure it may bring some short term traffic but if you want to be doing this the rest of your life you need to think OUTSIDE the box, mega cliche huh? But it's true if you want to survive on automated systems throughout 2009 then you should not tell anyone about them, but even then you will have to build some sort of stickyness onto your site otherwise the BORG will get you, with their massive amounts of data.

    Thanks for listening, and ignoring.... have a good day boys & girls and hope you all have a good New Year!
     
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  2. aмillionaírе

    aмillionaírе Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Nice first post, welcome to the community :)
     
  3. kingofbigmac

    kingofbigmac Regular Member

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    What a great first post. Keep em coming :D
     
  4. BearyManaLow

    BearyManaLow Executive VIP Premium Member

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    I'd have to say this is one of the better posts I've read since coming here...besides Dave's "Black Hat Success: Never give up!" thread. Thanks for the input keyser!
     
  5. blackbucks

    blackbucks Newbie Premium Member

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    I fully agree on this sentence "You will never learn BH till you learn WH".
     
  6. r-webb-k

    r-webb-k BANNED BANNED

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    wrong i disagree with u man blackhat and whitehat is not the same whitehat seo=playing by the rules another wards sucking google's dick blackhat seo=not playing by the rules another wards we are outlawers we dont give a fuck about google and his brothers and sisters now if u tell me u need to learn first how the search engines works to do black or whitehate seo then i'll agree with u 100%:D
     
  7. litenup

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    If you strictly do white hat and make a decent living... good for you. In fact why not post your methods in the WH section here in BHW.

    But the fact is, the quicker you learn BH'ting the safer your WH sites will be. I am still a noob compared to many of the people here, but I know that by combining both methods I could get a site to rank higher than almost any site that you have already indexed.

    Many people can make good money at BH and never have a website indexed or even a website at all.

    If you have read any of the threads here you will see that for the BH pros, they have no Google fear, they don't even consider Google when comes to making money. Google fear is what sells the so called guru stuff, and if you think the gurus hands are clean...

    All the best to you

    Happy New Year to All.... Have Fun and Be Safe
     
  8. blackhaze

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    hahaha, dudes.

    To know BH you need to understand BASIC concepts of SEO and marketing, and of course this all starts out WHITE.

    gen,

    even as a known name in BH CS you need to know what a cookie is, you need to know how browsers work. You need to know what a blog is and why a BLOG is better than this or that, so you certainly need some WH knowledge to pull BH tactics?!

    For SEO...for cloaking and whatever other BH method you need to know basics about how search engines work, how web sites are built.

    I say there is no fricking way to know good BH without a GOOD understand of white hat methods.

    This would be like wanting to race race-cars but having NO clue whatsoever about cars...
     
  9. santhosh

    santhosh Registered Member

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    HEy Keyser u are rockinhg man with ur first post you gain some beautiful image in this forum keep going like this way . All the best and thanks for ur post
     
  10. Flash

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    While i think you're not really telling people where to start with WH, I also think it was not your intent. Although I think this will really benefit the people that are new to IM in general and happened to find out about BH before going through some trials.

    As shitty as going through all the crap on the internet is, it should lead to some good fundamentals on how to make money with IM legitimatley.

    Once you kind of have it down it is much easier to at least understand how to the maniplulate the system you are attacking.

    I only second this, because this is exactly where I came from.

    I've done decent online with WH for a few years, and when I found this place and a few others I think I had a good understanding of what I was reading and trying to implement.

    So after a few months trying out BH I've made some decent money already, and it wasn't very hard.

    you hear " thinking outside the box" so often. But how the fuck do you know what thinking outside the box is unless you have some pretty good knowledge already.

    So for all you starting out, read the WH section, and also learn the basics through your own research on the web. Even the bare minimum of understanding achored backlinks and knowing a little PROPER comp. research will benefit you with WH and BH. Plus educating yourself properly will yeild some results which should lead to some motivation to keep at it. Because we all know alot of people fail because they just aren't motivated enough to see something through.

    I don't think you have to know WH to make money in BH, but I do think that knowing WH can help your BH. I mean if you know the system inside out the "right way" then surely you would know many more avenue's to exploit the "BH way".

    sorry for rambling on.

    goodluck in the new year all.
     
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  11. shithappens

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    I agree and do not agree on the same time.

    If we speak about black hat seo, you are absolutely right.

    If we speak about black hat marketing, not really, but it is sure a great advantage to know how people think, and what they want, a bit of psychology always helps (and a lot of common sense).

    Regarding SEO, yes, one needs to understand what makes a site good in the eyes of SE's and users, and only after that, you will be able to add little twists.

    nice post overall.
     
  12. CyberDilemma

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    I think what a lot of people are confusing is that the OP didn't say you need to know WH SEO to do BH. He said you need to know WH SEO to do BH SEO. Granted there are many ways to do BH that do not involve SEO. However, to do SEO you should know the fundamentals and intricacies of SEO in general whether you are practicing white, gray, black. It's as simple as that.
     
  13. beefsupreme

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    The OP seems like a very arrogant know-it-all. But some good points were made nonetheless.

    I have to note that I'm NOT an experienced IM'er ... not yet at least. But I have a theory, that using mostly or only blackhat techniques is good for mostly quick bursts of cash, but not stable cashflow. Whitehat websites on the otherhand usually take AGES to grow, but once they're ripe and established, they can guarantee a more steady cashflow.

    My personal aim is to mix both of these in most of my projects, I think that's called greyhat. Basicly I'd establish a (semi-)legit whitehat website with some blackhat stuff sprinkled on it. Use some blackhat tactics (social bookmarking, youtube videos, cl posts, rss scrapers, blogfarms etc.), aswell as whitehat strategies (good content, seo optimization, adwords) to get backlinks and traffic, and adjust the mixture according to my budget and what the site needs.

    This way I hope to mature my WH site much faster than it would normally take. Think of it as gene manipulation, genetic engineering, or something.

    My 1.5 cents.
     
  14. themagician

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    '...if you want to be doing this the rest of your life you need to think OUTSIDE the box'.

    That's exactly what Black Hat is...Thinking outside the box.

    themagician
     
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  15. sereja

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    I think the majority of people did in fact start out in WH, and then for whatever reason went on to BH.

    How someone uses the information presented here depends on their morals. Some might be comfortable pushing the envelope, others might simply use the information to safeguard their WH efforts. Whatever it is, there's no reason why the two sides can't co-exist in harmony.
     
  16. laserblast

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    I agree with some of this.

    I often combine the two and it works out pretty well.

    On an unrelated side note: My girlfriend just made a giant batch of the most delicious cinnamon rolls you've ever had.
     
  17. daffy

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    Ohh this post of yours is some what misleading...cuz I started off with Blackhat section where I have my flair with it by googling around before and could understand(I've started blogging and making money online from the age of 17) now I'm 18 n half...he he feel like I've done my best cuz my earnings count upto 600$-640$ max so I'm quite happy with it...sharing info about Black hat would make someone get some instant money but...later they will understand that they should know somethings, as you said "Basics", that sought of related knowledge which in my case learned it that way...here's my Genuine stats about blogs..

    83 blogs, 12 Premium websites with 3.9 or more page ranks each but sadly low on CTR and earning's(I've mailed Adsnese and Azoole ads about the same and waiting for a reply probably a call)

    SO can we get a bit real on conclusion's now??
     
  18. sereja

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    That is really the best way. If you just do pure BH or pure WH, you're really only utilizing half the techniques out there, and severely limiting your profits.
     
  19. tjpasha

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    i dont know about others .'m a noob ....havent made any good from internet yet .....
    i always Black hat but i also agree that you should be knowing some basic SEO or white hat according to you to implement black hat ....
    seo is a bigger picture ....u should know seo fundaments then only u can decide to go black or white
    i prefer black :)
    regards tjpasha
     
  20. lizmoz

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    I guess this guy's hit and run post just had a bad title. I was about to slaughter him too but actually in the text he talks only about bh seo, not blackhatting generally (which is the case in the title).

    Verdict: crappy title