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  1. GreenGoblin

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    When people ask me and this won't be for everyone but the majority "should I go to college" I tell them run away from college and run as fast as you can. I tell people college is a government hustle to make you believe if you don't go your dumb as a brick but ill show u how it really is.

    Your right out of high school, you don't know what to do with yours life. All your school years they preached "go to college" make something of yourself so u take this advice and u take those SAT's get a great score and u go to some damn college and u spend 4 years there and graduate at the top of your class and u feeling really sexy with your piece of paper that says "HEY YOUR SMART" now im gonna show how stupid the decision really is. How i know? because i made the same stupid decision :p

    Once you have that degree, they tell you hey your degree is worth 80k/ year go out there and get a job here's where the hustle begins. What they don't tell you is this your degree is worth 80% less then the person in your position let me explain this to you.

    Companies with the top engineers "if there American" have been at the company since the first brick was laid down and there 40-60 years old currently with a desk job guess how much there making a year maybe 45k-60k a year so now ask yourself why the hell would a company hire your "just outta college" ass at 80k a year? mind you ..you don't have a lick of a experience in
    the real work force.

    But Guess what? those college loans will roll in regardless if you have a job or not, so to survive guess what you have to do take some job "not in your field" to pay those bills and u better believe there not paying you 80k more like 26k if your lucky today maybe even 20k a year.

    So now you have a job making 20k but your school loans take up half your check at a whopping $300-$500 month and if you think that's high my GF law school loans are $1900.00/ month consider yourself lucky, so you do 1 of 2 things say fu%^ them school loans i can't pay it and survive or u get a 2nd job that you will quit in 3-6 months because you have no social life your just working to pay bills.

    Now after you quit obviously you decided to say fu&^ them loans I'm not paying it there to much. So guess what follows that smart decision "BAD CREDIT" now that your credit is ruined all to hell, you 1 just give up and stay at the job your at or 2 you say I'm going to make it. So you get lucky one day fill out a job application "in your field" and guess what they said hey kid we like you and were considering hiring you let us run a background check on you if everything checks out your golden.

    Your excited! hey they didn't offer you 80k but close enough 60k so your waiting for your phone call that comes 1 monday afternoon and the conversation goes like this, Mr or Ms such and such after reviewing your application your criminal history is fine everything is fine but there's 1 problem ......You credit is not worthy enough to work with us there's a few things you need to clear before we can consider you for the position.

    Long story short, u continue to work at that piss poor job getting a 1.50 cent raise every year money that you don't even see because taxes eat it up look at the bright side everyday you go home you can look right up there on the wall to that nice college degree hanging up that says "HEY YOUR SUPER SMART"

    A wise man told me before "if you can control peoples debt you can control the world"
     
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    I don't agree that it makes you dumb. If you asked me 20 years ago I would say go if you can because the return on your investment made sense. Now it doesn't.

    I graduated with something like 15k in student loans and I thought that was outrageous. What does a 4 year degree cost and what is the difference between what you can make without one vs with one? The cost of what it cost a kid to go now vs when I went (late 80's) is sick. The cost has gone up what? 400 500%? Have salaries gone up 500%?

    If you want to get the cost of education under control, get government out of it. I know for some that grew up under this system that makes no sense, but when the government guarantees your debt the schools can charge what they want.

    In 2008 Berkley's head football coach made 2.8 million dollars.
    You really think he could make that if the government was not guaranteeing your debt, all while putting a gun to your head to pay it back? You don't need a degree to figure that out.
     
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    University or college prices are driven up by misuse of funding.In the USA.University subsidies are spent on all sorts of dumb crap instead of bettering the methods and resources available for students.Faculty head get paid way more than what they should get.but thats the case all around the world.its not that you should not go to college but that having a degree is meaning less and less.in my country there is only 1 job for every 3 graduates,so you end up with people having degrees but can never use them.so going to university is not as clear cut as it used to be.
     
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    If you think education is expensive, try ignorance.
     
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    As someone who is in college right now I believe college is beneficial you just need to approach it the right way. College is really the time where you need to discover what you like and specialize in it. I agree spending 4 years partying, taking gen ed classes and ending up as an english major with a 2.8 GPA is pretty useless. You don't need to specialize nessicarily in business or engineering (those are good options), but ensuring you have good math, writing and other skills will help you in any job. I also believe that college is not for everyone. There was a good WSJ article Titled Help Wanted on Factory Floor about the shortage of skilled manufacturing workers. These jobs are not boring grunt jobs, you must be good at math and able to run million dollar computer controlled lathes and other equipment. They document one young guy who went into this line of work out of high school and is now making 55k a year with no student loan debt and will have 4 years of work and money earned by the time his friends graduate college.
    Overall i think it is an interesting dilemma.
     
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    Your somewhat right,but also very wrong at the same time.

    1. A ton of jobs require a college degree nowdays,even the police. Or at least something like 30 college credits.
    2. You dont have to go into huge debt to get a degree, you can save a ton of money by going to community colleg firste and then transfer to a 4 year college.
    3. You dont have to get a huge loan, a ton of people get way more then what they need and splurge it on apple computers and other toys.

    debt doesn't = bad credit. A person can be $15,000 in debt after student loans and still have a good credit score.
     
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    College is anti make something of yourself, and that is the UK, not sure about other countries
     
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    Good opinion, GreenGoblin.
     
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    Free college and University here is Scotland!!
     
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    I've been to 3 different colleges, I always stop going because the bullshit the teachers are spewing falls under one of the following:

    1. Outdated
    2. Irrelevant
    3. Both

    I also don't have any debt and was recently offered a $65k job because of my military experience.
    So if anything I would recommend joining the military (navy or air force) so you can get actual job experience, save up money, travel the world, and get a degree for free using the GI bill.
     
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    I think the reason to go to university is to acquire skill in a field if you are unable to do so by other means. I was at university reading computer science, but I dropped out for two reasons. Firstly the cost, to me the debt didn't seem worth what sort of job I could get with the degree, and secondly the subject material. I'm pretty much up to speed in my industry and it's been a hobby for years, I found what I was being told to study on my degree was out of date and for the most part irrelevant.

    No one will hire me. The fact that I don't have a degree means employers won't even consider me, even though I have real world experience, even though I can prove my ability in my field.

    I'm already in debt from the first time round, it's hard to get out of it. The only thing there is left to do for me is to go back and get that shoddy piece of paper.
     
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    Plenty of very successful people have never gone to college. Don't buy into that propaganda BS. I work for someone now that has very high 8 figure net worth and no college.

    I could take a kid from Harvard right now with zero drive and someone off this board with no education and 110% drive, put them in the same position with the same tools and who do you think will succeed?

    A degree is a piece of paper, that thing between your ears is a tool. Use it.
     
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    I agree... College is not for everyone. You should only go if you want to do something that REQUIRES college, like engineering, law, or some science field. I never set foot in a college classroom and I got an entry level job straight out of high school, now I'm making about 46K a year. It's not exactly my dream job, but I'm making more than most of my friends who went to college.

    My career goal now is IM, and that doesn't require any degree. I can see how a degree in marketing, business law, or web design would help someone doing IM, but why? Pretty much all of the information you'd get in those college classes is available online nowadays.

    I think people need to reconsider the "EVERYONE should go to college" mindset. It's not good for some people.
     
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    I know plenty of people with a degree in your field and they can't get jobs either. Why should someone hire you when they can contract out most of their work to India, Russia, etc.
     
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    Exactly. I figured my best bet is to mix up my software development knowledge with stuff I've learnt from this forum, I've got a plan but I'm struggling to support myself while I'm setting it all up. Catch 22 for me.
     
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    That sounded pretty negative and I didn't mean for it to sound that way. Blaze your own trail. Start your own IT firm, or the like. My point is, why go into debt for something you already know? If you can identify a problem and fix it, then go after the people that need the fix.
     
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    The funny thing about college is its very outdated, at least in certain curriculums. I was an integrated marketing and communications major and when i first graduated about years ago I had a terrible time trying to find a job.

    The problem that I experiened was that everything I was taught/learned was old news. There was no instruction or learning on modern techniques (internet marketing). Everything that is relavent to my job now I have learned through reading (mostly online reading). Basically my degree was worthless, and everything that is important in my current job was learned outside of college. And to further this point, the professors in college are not skilled or knowledgeable in new techniques or methodologies, so how could they possibly teach something worthwhile.

    A funny little story that I'd like to share with you guys is that a very good friend of mine went to college, but never graduated. He attended university for about 6 years and just couldn't (or didn't want to) focus and finish. Guess what? On ever job he has held or applied to he says that he graduated. At the end of the day it doesn't matter if you have a degree or not, it matters if you can perform and if you actually know what you're doing.
     
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