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You need 10,000 hours of practise to become IM expert

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  1. hatblack

    hatblack Regular Member

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    I just read the book Outliers. There is one sentence that caught my attention is the statement Daniel Levitin - neuro-scientist.

    "The emerging scientific picture is that 10,000 hours of practice is required to achieve the level of mastery associated with being a world-class expert in anything."

    I also believe it applies also in the internet marketing world.
     
  2. ramanacore

    ramanacore Newbie

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    In general I agree, but "Outliers" actually creates some misconceptions around the topic, instead of explaining it thoroughly. 10.000 hours rule is based on early work of Anders Ericsson and requires "deliberate practice". Using the skills to perform the same task over and over again doesn't count as deliberate practice. In IM, deliberate practice would be applying the new twist to some method, receiving a feedback how it performs (and that requires some measures other than bank account statements) and modyfing method accordingly.

    The only thing is that becoming an expert helps, but it's not required to earn a lot. This is true for any field, not only IM ;).
     
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  3. stressfree

    stressfree Senior Member

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    B*S*

    It's a start but you have to do it in the right area and you still need "desire, intelligence, luck..."
     
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    m0nster Senior Member

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    honestly i hate over generalizations such as these. being a master of one thing is far overrated anyway.
     
  5. beldorian

    beldorian Newbie

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    So, they are saying that it takes 5 years of 40 hour work weeks or 10 years of part time 20 hours/week to become a world class master of anything?

    Have they actually measured it, have they started with somebody who had absolutely no direct or related experience in the field they would become a "world-class" expert in and then started the timer?

    Not sure the point of this post, but I would say that you do not have to be a world-class expert to make a pretty good clam chowder, nor do you have to be a world-class expert to know and understand good marketing principals (internet or otherwise).

    For those reading this thread - do not be demotivated by it - do not let it convince you that you cannot do IM.
     
  6. ramanacore

    ramanacore Newbie

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    As long as these hours are devoted to deliberate practice. This is based on over 20 years of research on performers in many fields, starting from sports and music.

    Given how hard it is to practice deliberately, I don't think you are going to see many world-class experts in any field. As as you noticed, becoming expert isn't a requirement to make a decent living.
     
  7. IamNRE

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    Sounds about right though.

    Think about it.

    Go and research all the "famous" or big shots in the IM game and ask them how long they have been at it?!

    Most will say 5+ years.

    There are not many IM'ers with well known products that have been in the game either directly or indirectly for less than 5 years.

    So yeah, I would have to agree with the statement.

    Any ways guys, see you in 3+ years ;)
     
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  8. bigeazy

    bigeazy Regular Member

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    At the end of the day, its all about testing different methods and finding ones that work... it might take you 1,000 hours or 10,000.

    All it is testing ----> analysis ---> execution.
     
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    phatzilla Supreme Member

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    seems like a ridiculous blanket statement
     
  10. hatblack

    hatblack Regular Member

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    I believe that a professor is an expert in his field of study but that does not mean he has more money from a drop out students (i.e Bill Gates). :D
     
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    partymarty4870 Elite Member

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    but IM is a lil bit different in that what is relevant now probably won't be relevant in 5 years.

    But the general idea of lots of hard work still rings true.
     
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    rizzy Registered Member

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    So this makes me and expert on masterbation then, thats somthing else for the cv i suppose :D
     
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    tacopalypse Executive VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    without defining what you mean by "expert", the statement's pretty much meaningless.

    you have an exact value, 10000 hours, which you're saying is equal to another value, "expert", which you haven't bothered to quantify in any way.

    it's like saying i award you 10,000 internets for making this thread. :rolleyes:
     
  14. ramanacore

    ramanacore Newbie

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    Outside of "marketing", expert in a field is able to outperform vast majority of competition, using whatever tool or method. In "marketing" language it of course means something different ("everybody is an expert on something").

    To qualify as an expert in IM, you should be able to consistently earn more money than most of the people using all types of income generation methods (SEO, CPA, affiliate, you name it). To get there you need to practice a lot and in total it should take you somewhere in 10k hours range. I don't think it qualifies as meaningless statement.
     
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  15. Sprouts

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    It depends entirely on the activity.

    If say "catching a ball" is the activity i very much doubt that 10,000 hours is needed to master it. Likewise, some activities may take longer than 10,000 hours to master. It's all down to the activity.

    It's also important to note other factors - e.g. the dynamics of the internet. The internet is constantly changing and so new techniques are emerging every day. It's about adapting as much as it about practise.
     
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    marusia Senior Member

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    What's considered an expert? How much money they are making? If that's the case, this is far from it. And I've yet to find a single person who knew everything about any method in IM, no matter how many hours/years experience they had.
     
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    Especially in this area of work I don't think you can.
    As the internet itself, methods evolve and people have to
    keep track of things.
    They might know about everything tonight,
    but as far as tomorrow is concerned, they have to keep up
    with the trends and know the latest info to be even close to
    knowing everything about a particular method.
     
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    I would add ambition motivation and focus though I would say timing (for example, stocks, or adsense, getting into any field/trend before everyone jumps onto it, rather than luck, this is based on earning alot, without being an expert.