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You know what really grinds my gears about BHW?

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by christianbed, Oct 23, 2013.

  1. christianbed

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    Am I the only one who gets reports from BST's I've ordered on BHW with links listed as PR9-PR4 that are only the PR of the root domain?

    Mate, just because you post something on a WP blog, doesn't mean that it gives you the right to call it a PR9 site. In fact, that link/article you posted is a PR1-N/A 98% of the time.
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    I think mods need to have a go at this problem, because it is deceptive. Before approving a BST, ensure they are reporting the TRUTH. To be clear, I'm not expecting a PR9-PR4 from these services; I go into this with eyes wide open, but when they act like that's what I've received, it really grinds my gears!
     
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    If the root domain is PR 9, then it's a PR 9 site. What's the deal? Nothing wrong with calling it that way. With time the innerpages will develop high authority, especially with a PR9 it's probably crawled 1 million times a day.
     
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    You've really got this one wrong mate.
    How do you expect your blog post to suddenly have high PR?
    The domain PR will naturally spread the blog posts (that's how PR works). This WILL take time.
     
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    You are right. They should mention that this is the PR of the domain not the actual blog post..
     
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    That's just common sense man, come one!
     
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    The matter of the fact is that a majority of the so called 'services' are just set up to make a quick buck. People fall for the same sales copy over and over again.

    Guys rehashing their service when its nothing more than exactly the same thing as before but branded slightly differently.

    100% satisfaction guarantee stickers in sales threads, like who the fuck still falls for that ?

    Not saying that all services are crap, I know which ones to use and who to trust on this forum. But some of the sales copies are just so bad its akin' to get flamed. I've also reviewed/bought far more crappy services than good ones. I'd say about 1 in 10 actually delivered what they promised...


    /rant
     
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    You know how many n00bs there are on BHW that have no clue, see PR9 in the salespages and thinking they get a PR9 link

    I agree with OP, sellers should mention that in their salespages, BHW reviewers should look for that imho
     
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    If the blog post or guest post is in a domain with PR 9 and it links to you, then that is a powerful indicator to google for your website.

    You will see the difference in a month time with your rankings...
     
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    if thats what u pay for based on a bst and thats not what u get
    deception - shit list - done .
     
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    A wordpress.com subdomain doesnt mean much these days unless it has some age.
     
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    I think what the OP is getting at is sellers posting links on a wordpress.com subdomain and classing it as a PR9 site, when the subdomain the post is under is nowhere near PR9.

    That said, you've gotta be pretty stupid to look at the price of such services & think you're really getting a link on a PR9 site.
     
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    Exactly!

    And to correct what seems to be a veiled accusation about being stupid...I'm not--as I indicated in the post--expecting a PR9. I never had such an expectation. I knew what I was getting.

    However, what irritates me that when someone posts to www. genericname .wordpress . com that this gives them the right to suggest it is a PR9 link in their report. It is a spun article and a N/A link on a semi-crap blog. Call it what it is. It may rank like a rocket ship; I don't dispute that, but sellers should cut the crap.

    Also laughable is the idea that people sell 'white hat' services here...'no bots'...all 'hand written by native speakers' (hint: if there are grammatical errors in the sales copy, don't expect much) or 'hand submissions only'...the BST section is no better than the WSO's on WF that people like to poke fun at...as someone suggested, there are some quality gigs here, no doubt, but there is a huge number of gigs that are repackaged Fiverr stuff.

    My theory is that as SEO has changed in the last several years, with an emphasis upon quality content nested in an authoritative context germane to one's niche, that many BST providers are struggling to keep up. Thus they make wild statements that have little to no basis in truth in the hopes that nobody will notice or care.

    I would like to think that it might help if mods required a bit more transparency with respect to things like PR claims in reports. It seems like the interest rate trick that auto dealers and credit card companies used to play before the required APR declarations were put into effect.
     
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    Probably north of 80% of the SEO services offered on BHW now are crap!

    You gotta be really careful about whom you spend your money with.

    Retards creating a new blog on .wordpress or tumblr and calling it PR 8 FOH. -_-
     
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    Yes, I know that. I'm saying that it is like me posting a spun article on Tumblr for you with a link back to your site, then telling you I got a PR8 link. Um, no. Tumblr itself might be a PR8, but that doesn't mean the link in question is anything more than a N/A or ever will be.
     
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    You read my mind, NRE...exactly right bro.
     
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    You need to forget about PR anyways. It's a dead metric. Use page authority and domain authority.
     
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    It is misleading, but buyers have to know that this is the case. The reports are misleading, but people jump into the "high PR" mindset so easily these days. It is really difficult to justify services with vague links being built that promise authority. Hopefully you didn't pay too much for the services.
     
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    Like the others in here, I agree that you should really know what you're getting yourself into instead of trusting a sales pitch/ad. If you check out the services that actually do offer high PR links, they make sure to mention that you're getting the link on the page with PR, and not that it's just the domain PR.

    Although, the services that build links on high PR domains aren't all that bad if you know how to work them. For example, that link can still add value if you provide original articles youself and keep adding to the tier 2 instead of just forgetting about it.
     
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    Its very misleading and caught me out when I was just starting but in retrospect....lets be honest what did you expect ? real PR8-9 links can cost $1000s.

    Im all on for straight advertising but can you imagine the BST

    "Very Average SEO"

    "This monster is running with literally thousands of PR N/A links. Hopelessly unreadable content and the thinnest web 2.0s ever".

    Anyway I joke. I still like the BST section and have had two great/cheap services recently. I 've just slowly worked out what SEO really costs.
     
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    This ^

    I was actually thinking about this the other day. A few guys have offered me a free review copy of their "High Pagerank" service for being a "reputable member." They posted my link to some spammy PR0 blogs and expected a good review.

    Someone needs to make a sticky: Pagerank is not sitewide, so go away.
     
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