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Yep, another NegSEO thread

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by JournoNick, Aug 26, 2014.

  1. JournoNick

    JournoNick Power Member

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    This time Moz just posted -
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    http://moz.com/blog/preparing-for-negative-seo

    Text taken from the article: "Google really does work hard to algorithmically protect sites from this type of link causing a problem. And, I would say that for the vast majority of you who are reading this post, you DO NOT NEED TO WORRY ABOUT NEGATIVE SEO."


    Thoughts?
     
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    "effective negative SEO is very rare"

    Not true at all,many of my site got burn through neg seo
     
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    Did they use foreign links or links with payday, viagra etc?
     
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    This is because most Neg Seo is preformed by dumb uneducated kids, who can neither preform good SEO or Neg SEO. I have no idea why they think hitting a website with stupid anchors will have some effect.

    Neg SEO works, and it is easy to preform, however mass links is not what makes a website disappear easily.
     
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  5. JournoNick

    JournoNick Power Member

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    I would think that mass links would not work at all, considering G's algo can detect it to protect it. To be honest, I would look into the over optimisation and the sandbox function for NegSEO, but I could be wrong, I have never actually performed neg seo but I have seen derps fall from the serps simply by pretending they know all about link ghosting.
     
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    From everything I have seen, new(ish,er) sites are much more vulnerable to Neg SEO attacks than older sites with some authority. Although, I have seen some bigger sites get nailed. Google can try to diminish the scope of the problem, but it's alive and well and all too commonplace.

    Thanks Obama!
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    They say you should not worry because the article might be directed for single business owners freaking out about that.

    Anybody who does IM and who owns a decent amount of websites, should not only be aware but prepared in case any even like this happens. Why? Because NSEO happens.
     
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    We don't have Obama, we have this derp.

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    Yeah, one of my sites is getting the weirdest negseo: blog comment links, some even high pr, with unrelated anchors (not spammy, just unrelated). It's been happening for over 2 months now and is only seemingly helping. Not to mention that my website is a 1-page churn&burn website in the first place...

    And it's not just my site that's getting blasted, whoever is doing this is targeting other sites as well, but sadly I haven't been able to figure out who exactly it is. Probably someone who isn't even in the top 10.
     
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    My main churn and burn, which is nearly a year old, got hit by some shite attempt at Neg SEO. It is still going strong, I knew for a fact who had done it, needless to say all his websites have vanished. This is what makes me laugh when you see the turds on here thinking they will get away with hitting someones website, they will not., but they do not see it. They seem to think they are doing some big secret thing, the problem is they are shit at everything, just clueless little turds. I have a thing about following the person who neged my website, and every time I clean his sites out, and will continue to do so till he gives up. The thing is he probably has no idea his sites are being neged, because in his tiny mind throwing 100's of 1000's of links at a website is negseo.
     
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    Did you see my offer in the last NSEO thread? It's $500 for anyone who can tank my buddies site. He is a well known & well respected member on WF, we've already signed an NDA so everything is legit. If you think it would be "easy" to tank his site I'll give that money to you since I can't do it. The guy has been doing SEO for like 10 years now and knows his shit. I have also spoke to several other guys with his level of experience and they would all dispute your claim that NSEO is "easy to perform".

    You say that mass links is not what makes a website dissappear. Which I fully agree with cause I've been running a 10 month case study on mass spam for NSEO and it has been 100% ineffective.

    My last resort is stealth SAPE linking (like I'm trying to rank his site) then reporting it to Google. But that wouldn't be "easy" either cause you have to wait for Google to review the site and you have no idea when or what they'll do (if anything).

    I'm also aware of a "plan c" that doesn't involve any linking at all. But it's not the type of stuff we can talk about on BHW (hacking) and I'm still trying to learn the method.

    At the point I'm going now, I'm gonna wind up posting a year long NSEO case study that strongly suggests it is virtually impossible to perform. When mass links don't work, when sape doesn't work, when a site is highly secure and you can't hack it.... there isn't really shit you can do to tank it's rankings. I know all sites have vulnerabilities. But unless you are a genius hacker I don't see you tanking any sites.

    -BB
     
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    I would not even waste my time with the possibility of having traces back to me for $500. Neg SEO is easy, that is all I need to know. And do not just think about actual Neg SEO, there are many other ways to put a turd out of business.
     
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    one thing is sure. Anyone who neg seo other blogs is a complete Failure, a failure in life and everything.. *angry because my money site was hit by Neg seo*

    But one thing is sure. Neg seo works
     
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    Not really, Neg SEO is useful for some things, like companies which do not pay you, removing shitty pages which are not monetized, and turds who Neg SEO one of your websites.
     
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    There seems to be two opinions here and it looks as though there is a cut off point for a domain name that it can't be affected by Neg SEO. It's strange because how does Google know if it's Neg SEO or just a churn and burn?

    What is stopping people blasting their domains to rank #1, and if they are sandboxed then hit Google up and say "That looks like Neg SEO to me bro."

    What is stopping people triggering this so called detect to protect algo to give their site a positive ranking?

    How would Google know you're doing shit SEO or someone else?

    So many unanswered questions, so little "Hello Panda" biscuits.
     
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    "Traces".. LOL. My friend own's the site dude. Noone's gonna be tracing your sites or doing shit to them. Just use a VPS if you're that paranoid. I'll pay for that too.

    You did say it's "easy to perform"? So would you turn down $5k too? What about $50K? I'm curious what monetary value & what conditions would be enough for you to prove you're not FOS? Cause I already know you don't care what other people think. Anytime you make a radically sensational claim you clarify that point. But there are a lot of experienced marketers reading what you said who are shaking their heads right now.

    Cause the amount of time, effort & money it would take to "put some turd out of business" is inversely proportionate to the amount of time, effort & money they put into their business in the first place.

    I'm really not trying to offend you dude. But ANYONE with real SEO & marketing experience know's how hard it is to NSEO a site NEVERMIND put someone out of business. In fact, I'd be willing to bet my entire savings that you can't put any *real business* out of business. You'd have to sacrifice your own business in the process OR you'd have to be a millionairre who happens to have a shitload of money to burn.

    I just wanna make it clear. To any newbs reading this... NSEO is virtually impossible to do. Moz may not be the most respected authority on BHW but he is spot on about NSEO. There is nothing remotely "easy" about it and anyone who claims otherwise is simply FOS.

    -BB
     
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    This is a hard discussion to get involved in, because I don't want to reveal anything.

    So without really naming the tool or the method let me say that with one cheap simple tool and a very small list (under 1000) you can effectively wipe a newer website off the serps.

    That's easy.

    What may not be very easy is negging an established site, so in effect you both (mickyfu and breaknbrix) may both be right.

    AND NO - I WILL NOT SHARE THE TOOL'S NAME
     
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    Comon man, you know you want to PM me that tools name. ;)
     
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    Of course, all people who do IM are always the biggest and the best. I could not care less what "the best" think, I know it is easy to neg a website, there are other people out there who would also agree. I do not have to get into "proving" myself to anyone on the internet, I use the internet to run my business, not prove myself to the self proclaimed internet gurus.

    What exactly level of NSEO are we talking about eBay, or random sites which need to be moved? I think you are here simply fishing for NSEO tips to be honest.

    Sites like MOZ probably cannot be NEGED, because they have their tongues so far up Matt Cutts arshole, they preach his shite for him like "Neg SEO is a myth", and he does them a little back hander. If you can't see how it works, then I am sorry to say, you are very naive.

    OK neg seo is a myth, however I can ruin my own site by doing shit SEO on it, but wait for it, if I do the same shit seo on someone elses site, their site will not be hit. Do you have any clue just how seriously dumb that sounds?

    In fact I will tell you what I will do for you seems I am full of shit, give me your main money site, prove it is yours, and I will neg it for you. You can keep your $500.
     
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    Are you not willing to put your own sites on your opinion that I am full of shit. I guarantee you I can knock them down to prove myself to you. That is what you want, isn't it?