WTF is up with all these courses on BHW marketplace with rehashed content?

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Here is my logic:

Years ago members used to share stuff for free. That's what made me stay here in the forum. I feel like I owe the forum for all the knowledge I've gotten. That's why I've been paying to be a Jr.VIp all these years (i haven't had a sale thread up until recently). I am sure many old members feel that way.

Now when you see these ebook BST popping up and getting sales, this acts as an incentive. The people who otherwise would have shared stuff for free, now will see it as an opportunity to make some quick bucks.

With enough time, there won't be any *gold* in the public forum. All that will be in the form of "ebook bsts". That's what i meant by an ebook marketplace.

I love this forum, and i think this will kill the forum in the long run. That's why it is pissing me off.

You guys and DD knows better about running a forum ofcourse. I just hope i am wrong here.

Exactly what I wanted to say actually. Hit the nail on the head. I only pay for JR Vip for the sole reason to give back to the forum who gave me "financial freedom", nothing else. I even stopped with crappy signature sales, because why would I need that? I don't need to sell myself haha. I will cancel my JR Vip ASAP though, what am I paying for now? Nothing.

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OP - who are you to decide what will be listed on the marketplace?

The ONLY people that will decide are 1. the owner of this forum, 2. the users by buying or not buying what they like.

You've been going through peoples marketplace threads, talking shit without even buying the product. Including the recent comment in CPAGods thread, which imo is an amazing guide by the way, unlike you i actually read it (and im not getting paid to say this..)

You dont like it? dont buy it. move along. dont buy anything.

Some of these guides are very valuable. Same way some services are and some arnt. I can tell you that im getting a ton of positive feedback on my guide for instance. So mind ur own business bud.

peace
Did I say I'm some type of god that is choosing what's to be listed here? No...

But the courses (like YOU sell, you're one of the people I had in mind starting this thread, and of course you know that haha), is in my opinion, ridiculous. "Make $3k month with a simple one-page", please. It's SEO and affiliate marketing/CPA/whatever, right? It's not even hard, I've done it over and over again with info I found here, what's new? A 11 year old could do it... Target a keyword with low competition and high search volume, monetize it, get backlinks and do proper on-page SEO? I could make an ebook with "make $250/day with $500 investment", but that's low. The info is here for free, so what's new that I can share? Nothing. It's SEO... I'm assuming you made it once, and can't replicate it, so now you need to sell a course. I could be wrong, but if you can replicate it, why are you selling a course with rehashed info? Makes no sense to me. Youtuber-guru vibe right there.

Of course I won't buy those guides, lolmao. You seem to be really annoyed, what's up, did I touch a nerve? Can't make IM money without selling rehashed content you can find on BHW as a method for $49?

Talking shit? I asked a question, and it got deleted from one of the BSTs, which says a lot... Of course you and @CPA GOD are friends/cooperating creating these "amazing methods", it's ridiculous. It's so obvious I cringe. Giving each other amazing reviews/comments and shit. :D

"Some of these guides are very valuable. Same way some services are and some arnt."

Yeah, and I don't think yours is valuable. I'm just expressing my opinion, that's it. :) You can find the same info for free here on BHW, or am I wrong? Unless you have some amazing loophope like the sitemap Google bug, and if you shared that... please, no one would since you could make a truckload per day with that method. Selling it would patch it in 24 hours. so what's new? Buy backlinks?

I honestly I hope I get banned from this forum, this is just sad, and there's nothing new to get from this forum anymore. Like the (your) pinned threads in "money making" subforum which is basically "login on Pinterest and spam affiliate links dawg", I have no idea how they got pinned in the first place - It's been shared in 5-10+ threads already, over and over again. I had to ask a mod here to pin BTBs ecommerce thread, because for some reason it wasn't pinned and it has 30x more valuable info in there than most shit that gets pinned.

Here's enough to get started with SEO + affiliate/whatever marketing, if not more (here on the forum, for free...);
  1. https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/authority-site-seo-case-study.702805/
  2. https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/build-and-bank-site-journey-60-days-60-keywords-my-small-site-method-to.762266/
  3. https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/real-life-example-of-how-you-can-make-an-ecommerce-site-that-pays-you-decent-cash.758805/
Even though the threads are old, they work just as good today as back in the day (maybe with some slight tweaks). If you can't make money with those threads, just quit IM now and run to McDonalds with your CV. Especially to all of you who buy methods... Just stop, seriously what are you doing? You'll never get anywhere. This is not for you, you guys need a 9-5.

The only "methods" I've seen being of value here was from Elliot-something, which was actually unique. Like the Bing Ads method, which got patched pretty much as soon as he shared it. SEO and stuff is almost impossible NOT to learn here if you actually learn, and search the forum, I'd definitely not call SEO + Affiliate marketing a "method".

just saying it seems like selling guides is 'a bad thing' now... like we're apologizing for the amount of guides being sold? we need more guides not less. we need more knowledge.

Im calling all bhw memebers - if you have a method that works, that can be duplicated and scaled, and is worthy - please create a bst thread and sell it, i promise ill be the first one to buy if im not familiar with the method.
Why on earth would I sell a method here?

1. It would be saturated immediately if I had something special actually worth sharing. (Like Elliots methods)
2. This forum, atleast what I thought, was to share info for free - Not to sell shitty ebooks like Warriors forum or whatever it's called.
3. SEO is a method now? Lol. That's funny.

OP I don't see where your hatred towards courses/ebooks comes from
When we(the sellers) are doing something and have knowledge to share with other people meanwhile creating another source of income WHY NOT?

If the product is bad, it will get negative reviews and no one will buy it right? That's not the case with most BST's I have seen because the products are actually helpful for most people and they are happy with the purchase.

While we are not selling cure to AIDS, we are selling information that If you want to understand on your own will probably take you months of learning, failing, wrong decisions and much more money burned

Courses are actually helpful and that's why websites like udemy are making their owners millionaires.
When I want to learn something new I prefer spending $50-100 and get good information that will get me going in matter of days instead of trying to figure out everything on my own.

I don't know about you but hundreds hours of my time are much more valuable than $50-100 for a course

Of course you're also here, I love how the 2 dudes who create the "ebook methods" are here defending themselves. It's almost like I named you in the thread start. :D But fair enough.


I seriously hope you're joking. "When we(the sellers) are doing something and have knowledge to share with other people meanwhile creating another source of income WHY NOT?" - How about, sharing it for free? But hey, I seriously doubt there's anything new in any of your ebooks, and that goes to both you and zionbar. The annoying part is that you guys SELL stuff that exist (HERE) for free.

It's like if I sold napkins and straws inside McDonalds, when they exist 2 meters away for free.

Sure, go for it, who says you can't sell? But also, who says I can't express my opinion? Did I hurt your ebook sales, or? :D

No, of course you will get positive reviews from noobs here on the forum who can't even use the damn search function. I asked a legitimate question in your BST and it got deleted within hours... The buyers clearly can't find the info for themselves, so hey, go for it, but don't expect any clients to actually make money as they seem to... well, non-smart to make it themselves. Who buys a guide about SEO, CPA, POP Ads when it's all available for free online? No one who will be able to make it in IM, in my opinion. They are the same people who buy "SEO guides" for $1999 from Facebook ads, thinking here's some magic spell in there. Every single person I've talked to who keeps buying methods, gets nowhere. It's like the people who start a thread "What's PBN?", they can't even Google an answer - Good luck with that.

Anyway, keep going with your "amazing methods" for sale, we all gotta make money, but I seriously doubt any of you two can make money for real with IM yourselves. Sad stuff...

Should I sell an Ebook too how you can make $10k profit/month with $500-1000 investment using BH SEO + Affiliate/CPA marketing? No, that's ridiculous, because there wouldn't be anything new in my ebook then, since all the info exist right here on BHW. Been there, done that, doing that.

@BassTrackerBoats - just give me a ban please, this forum is giving me cancer at this point. Can't believe a dumbass like ME, can outgrow this forum? Ridiculous. I miss the real info that used to be shared here, for FREE. Not with shit ebooks that give you ulcers.

Wouldn't surprise me if this post gets deleted too...

"Peace"

iu
 
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Exactly what I wanted to say actually. Hit the nail on the head. I only pay for JR Vip for the sole reason to give back to the forum who gave me "financial freedom", nothing else. I even stopped with crappy signature sales, because why would I need that? I don't need to sell myself haha.

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Did I say I'm some type of god that is choosing what's to be listed here? No...

But the courses (like YOU sell, you're one of the people I had in mind starting this thread, and of course you know that haha), is in my opinion, ridiculous. "Make $3k month with a simple one-page", please. It's SEO and affiliate marketing/CPA/whatever, right? It's not even hard, I've done it over and over again with info I found here, what's new? I could make an ebook with "make $250/day with $500 investment", but that's low. The info is here for free, so what's new that I can share? Nothing. It's SEO... I'm assuming you made it once, and can't replicate it, so now you need to sell a course. I could be wrong, but if you can replicate it, why are you selling a course with rehashed info? Makes no sense to me. Youtuber-guru vibe right there.

Of course I won't buy those guides, lolmao. You seem to be really annoyed, what's up, did I touch a nerve? Can't make IM money without selling rehashed content you can find on BHW as a method for $49?

Talking shit? I asked a question, and it got deleted from one of the BSTs, which says a lot... Of course you and @CPA GOD are friends/cooperating creating these "amazing methods", it's ridiculous. It's so obvious I cringe. Giving each other amazing reviews/comments and shit. :D

"Some of these guides are very valuable. Same way some services are and some arnt."

Yeah, and I don't think yours is valuable. I'm just expressing my opinion, that's it. :) You can find the same info for free here on BHW, or am I wrong? Unless you have some amazing loophope like the sitemap Google bug, and if you shared that... please, no one would since you could make a truckload per day with that method. Selling it would patch it in 24 hours. so what's new? Buy backlinks?

I honestly I hope I get banned from this forum, this is just sad, and there's nothing new to get from this forum anymore. Like the (your) pinned threads in "money making" subforum which is basically "login on Pinterest and spam affiliate links dawg", I have no idea how they got pinned in the first place - It's been shared in 5-10+ threads already, over and over again. I had to ask a mod here to pin BTBs ecommerce thread, because for some reason it wasn't pinned and it has 30x more valuable info in there than most shit that gets pinned.

Here's enough to get started with SEO + affiliate/whatever marketing, if not more (here on the forum, for free...);
  1. https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/authority-site-seo-case-study.702805/
  2. https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/b...s-60-keywords-my-small-site-method-to.762266/
  3. https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/r...mmerce-site-that-pays-you-decent-cash.758805/
Even though the threads are old, they work just as good today as back in the day (maybe with some slight tweaks). If you can't make money with those threads, just quit IM now and run to McDonalds with your CV. Especially to all of you who buy methods... Just stop, seriously what are you doing? You'll never get anywhere. This is not for you, you guys need a 9-5.

The only "methods" I've seen being of value here was from Elliot-something, which was actually unique. Like the Bing Ads method, which got patched pretty much as soon as he shared it. SEO and stuff is almost impossible NOT to learn here if you actually learn, and search the forum, I'd definitely not call SEO + Affiliate marketing a "method".


Why on earth would I sell a method here?

1. It would be saturated immediately if I had something special actually worth sharing. (Like Elliots methods)
2. This forum, atleast what I thought, was to share info for free - Not to sell shitty ebooks like Warriors forum or whatever it's called.
3. SEO is a method now? Lol. That's funny.



Of course you're also here, I love how the 2 dudes who create the "ebook methods" are here defending themselves. It's almost like I named you in the thread start. :D But fair enough.


I seriously hope you're joking. "When we(the sellers) are doing something and have knowledge to share with other people meanwhile creating another source of income WHY NOT?" - How about, sharing it for free? But hey, I seriously doubt there's anything new in any of your ebooks, and that goes to both you and zionbar. The annoying part is that you guys SELL stuff that exist (HERE) for free.

It's like if I sold napkins and straws inside McDonalds, when they exist 2 meters away for free.

Sure, go for it, who says you can't sell? But also, who says I can't express my opinion? Did I hurt your ebook sales, or? :D

No, of course you will get positive reviews from noobs here on the forum who can't even use the damn search function. I asked a legitimate question in your BST and it got deleted within hours... The buyers clearly can't find the info for themselves, so hey, go for it, but don't expect any clients to actually make money as they seem to... well, non-smart to make it themselves. Who buys a guide about SEO, CPA, POP Ads when it's all available for free online? No one who will be able to make it in IM, in my opinion. They are the same people who buy "SEO guides" for $1999 from Facebook ads, thinking here's some magic spell in there. Every single person I've talked to who keeps buying methods, gets nowhere. It's like the people who start a thread "What's PBN?", they can't even Google an answer - Good luck with that.

Anyway, keep going with your "amazing methods" for sale, we all gotta make money, but I seriously doubt any of you two can make money for real with IM yourselves. Sad stuff...

Should I sell an Ebook too how you can make $10k profit/month with $500-1000 investment using BH SEO + Affiliate/CPA marketing? No, that's ridiculous, because there wouldn't be anything new in my ebook then, since all the info exist right here on BHW. Been there, done that, doing that.

@BassTrackerBoats - just give me a ban please, this forum is giving me cancer at this point. Can't believe a dumbass like ME, can outgrow this forum? Ridiculous. I miss the real info that used to be shared here.

Wouldn't surprise me if this post gets deleted too...

"Peace"

iu
This touched me,Oh my God.

Even I honestly believe that Newbies buying Courses will get nowhere,Unless they decide to put in the work which is needed to make it Online.Everything is availaible for free,Literally you never need to buy a single course online at all :D
 
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Funny because I received a mail from Gotch SEO just now...

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It seems that there is a rush of adrenaline when you buy something, but after you don't even finish it, and you don't apply it out of laziness... I myself bought some udemy courses that I never watched after 6 months.

It's the fact that when you pay, you expect to have a premium product, better than what is free and it's the big problem with ebooks and courses generally, in a psychological way... but I don't know the quality of all the ebooks being sold here, so I will not say they don't add something.

But it's true that with all the infos for free here, it would be a shame if it's just a collection of threads mix into nice ebook covers for profit.

Also if it becomes a tendency to sell ebooks in abundance, the marketplace will be very different in a few years with everyone selling methods...
 

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@javabro you seem to have adopted the same hypocritical position as google.

"All information should be free, unless we own it or can profit from it!"

You seem sharper than most ebook sellers here, so possibly yours is more than the basic broad bullshit 90% sell here.

The main reason these ebooks sell is:
- Shiny object
- Seller built rep in order to no make money with the ebook
- Too positive reviews, you never read: its basic random bullshit... no it will read:
"If you are a newbie this is awesome, if you are a pro you may find a nugget..."

In my whole life:
- I have not watched 1 single webinar that had any value. It was just broadly scratching the subject to obviously sell whatever product it was about
- Never read an ebook that had anything that made me go: "OMG I did not see this before this is genius.."

Every ebook I have seen from here, made me react in this way:
- OMG people did not know this common sense shit?
- I had no clue about platform X, but sounds like a broad copy of what works for platform Y
etc.



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Exactly what I wanted to say actually. Hit the nail on the head. I only pay for JR Vip for the sole reason to give back to the forum who gave me "financial freedom", nothing else. I even stopped with crappy signature sales, because why would I need that? I don't need to sell myself haha. I will cancel my JR Vip ASAP though, what am I paying for now? Nothing.

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Did I say I'm some type of god that is choosing what's to be listed here? No...

But the courses (like YOU sell, you're one of the people I had in mind starting this thread, and of course you know that haha), is in my opinion, ridiculous. "Make $3k month with a simple one-page", please. It's SEO and affiliate marketing/CPA/whatever, right? It's not even hard, I've done it over and over again with info I found here, what's new? A 11 year old could do it... Target a keyword with low competition and high search volume, monetize it, get backlinks and do proper on-page SEO? I could make an ebook with "make $250/day with $500 investment", but that's low. The info is here for free, so what's new that I can share? Nothing. It's SEO... I'm assuming you made it once, and can't replicate it, so now you need to sell a course. I could be wrong, but if you can replicate it, why are you selling a course with rehashed info? Makes no sense to me. Youtuber-guru vibe right there.

Of course I won't buy those guides, lolmao. You seem to be really annoyed, what's up, did I touch a nerve? Can't make IM money without selling rehashed content you can find on BHW as a method for $49?

Talking shit? I asked a question, and it got deleted from one of the BSTs, which says a lot... Of course you and @CPA GOD are friends/cooperating creating these "amazing methods", it's ridiculous. It's so obvious I cringe. Giving each other amazing reviews/comments and shit. :D

"Some of these guides are very valuable. Same way some services are and some arnt."

Yeah, and I don't think yours is valuable. I'm just expressing my opinion, that's it. :) You can find the same info for free here on BHW, or am I wrong? Unless you have some amazing loophope like the sitemap Google bug, and if you shared that... please, no one would since you could make a truckload per day with that method. Selling it would patch it in 24 hours. so what's new? Buy backlinks?

I honestly I hope I get banned from this forum, this is just sad, and there's nothing new to get from this forum anymore. Like the (your) pinned threads in "money making" subforum which is basically "login on Pinterest and spam affiliate links dawg", I have no idea how they got pinned in the first place - It's been shared in 5-10+ threads already, over and over again. I had to ask a mod here to pin BTBs ecommerce thread, because for some reason it wasn't pinned and it has 30x more valuable info in there than most shit that gets pinned.

Here's enough to get started with SEO + affiliate/whatever marketing, if not more (here on the forum, for free...);
  1. https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/authority-site-seo-case-study.702805/
  2. https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/b...s-60-keywords-my-small-site-method-to.762266/
  3. https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/r...mmerce-site-that-pays-you-decent-cash.758805/
Even though the threads are old, they work just as good today as back in the day (maybe with some slight tweaks). If you can't make money with those threads, just quit IM now and run to McDonalds with your CV. Especially to all of you who buy methods... Just stop, seriously what are you doing? You'll never get anywhere. This is not for you, you guys need a 9-5.

The only "methods" I've seen being of value here was from Elliot-something, which was actually unique. Like the Bing Ads method, which got patched pretty much as soon as he shared it. SEO and stuff is almost impossible NOT to learn here if you actually learn, and search the forum, I'd definitely not call SEO + Affiliate marketing a "method".


Why on earth would I sell a method here?

1. It would be saturated immediately if I had something special actually worth sharing. (Like Elliots methods)
2. This forum, atleast what I thought, was to share info for free - Not to sell shitty ebooks like Warriors forum or whatever it's called.
3. SEO is a method now? Lol. That's funny.



Of course you're also here, I love how the 2 dudes who create the "ebook methods" are here defending themselves. It's almost like I named you in the thread start. :D But fair enough.


I seriously hope you're joking. "When we(the sellers) are doing something and have knowledge to share with other people meanwhile creating another source of income WHY NOT?" - How about, sharing it for free? But hey, I seriously doubt there's anything new in any of your ebooks, and that goes to both you and zionbar. The annoying part is that you guys SELL stuff that exist (HERE) for free.

It's like if I sold napkins and straws inside McDonalds, when they exist 2 meters away for free.

Sure, go for it, who says you can't sell? But also, who says I can't express my opinion? Did I hurt your ebook sales, or? :D

No, of course you will get positive reviews from noobs here on the forum who can't even use the damn search function. I asked a legitimate question in your BST and it got deleted within hours... The buyers clearly can't find the info for themselves, so hey, go for it, but don't expect any clients to actually make money as they seem to... well, non-smart to make it themselves. Who buys a guide about SEO, CPA, POP Ads when it's all available for free online? No one who will be able to make it in IM, in my opinion. They are the same people who buy "SEO guides" for $1999 from Facebook ads, thinking here's some magic spell in there. Every single person I've talked to who keeps buying methods, gets nowhere. It's like the people who start a thread "What's PBN?", they can't even Google an answer - Good luck with that.

Anyway, keep going with your "amazing methods" for sale, we all gotta make money, but I seriously doubt any of you two can make money for real with IM yourselves. Sad stuff...

Should I sell an Ebook too how you can make $10k profit/month with $500-1000 investment using BH SEO + Affiliate/CPA marketing? No, that's ridiculous, because there wouldn't be anything new in my ebook then, since all the info exist right here on BHW. Been there, done that, doing that.

@BassTrackerBoats - just give me a ban please, this forum is giving me cancer at this point. Can't believe a dumbass like ME, can outgrow this forum? Ridiculous. I miss the real info that used to be shared here, for FREE. Not with shit ebooks that give you ulcers.

Wouldn't surprise me if this post gets deleted too...

"Peace"

iu

You would sell a course even when it works, well the ones here etc:
- Cant saturate Google ads
- Cant saturate FB ads

you get the idea. The courses are all super broad, nothing secret, thus nothing that can be saturated. Why do you think they all claim it can't be saturated?

If it was a UNIQUE twist, it would be patched as you said in no time.


Funny because I received a mail from Gotch SEO just now...

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It seems that there is a rush of adrenaline when you buy something, but after you don't even finish it, and you don't apply it out of laziness... I myself bought some udemy courses that I never watched after 6 months.

It's the fact that when you pay, you expect to have a premium product, better than what is free and it's the big problem with ebooks and courses generally, in a psychological way... but I don't know the quality of all the ebooks being sold here, so I will not say they don't add something.

But it's true that with all the infos for free here, it would be a shame if it's just a collection of threads mix into nice ebook covers for profit.

Also if it becomes a tendency to sell ebooks in abundance, the marketplace will be very different in a few years with everyone selling methods...

That is also pretty much BS
- Of course, courses are pumped out to make money for the seller NOT the students
- Why would a course seller care? Of course only to pretend to show stuff works...
- However, they can then always claim 90% do not take action and that is why they do not have any success



I mean come on WTF are users here so excited about broad shit like:
- Buy rare items and sell them for big bucks? Duh
- Launch jacking, but the huge twist with YT vs other Web 2.0(thread here about this I think 2+ years ago)
- Promote on pinterest (wow)
- Omg solve issues for people and promote it, who would have thought? Pose questions on Reddit about it --> Super twist 2.0
- Not tracking data? What you dont say

etc etc...

How many pinned common sense you seegives you an idea of why these same people buy courses.

Every course will be:
"How I make $xk with Y"

--> Noobs get sucked in by

- OMG I can make $xk
- User is trusted here so it must be true
- They assume they get some secret by the seller


Now here for you as a seller to spot what the ebook is about
- Ask whether this ebook is about using X (say shoutouts)...

Does the OP reply directly to your question? No ? --> he will use X

Ask as direct and specific as possible and every question not answered is one more hint for you
 

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@Psh I agree with you and Im with you 100% on feeling like I've outgrown this forum I just get tired seeing the same old thing over and over (when it comes to SEO) no one seems to be pushing the boundaries anymore or at least they are not saying it just comes back to "links son, you need links"

The place for finding new info and ideas for ranking I think are gone. (sadly) I still lurk in hope but I don't see much.

It's 100% slowly morphing into a selling marketplace with the forum as the ad on rather than the other way around.

The recent increase in old accounts coming back and selling or reaching the limit and then posting a BST I'm not sure how anything gets tested if they hit 100 posts and can open something so quickly - kind of devalues what this place once was?


The sad thing is the only *new* free info on here now is my vodka review posts and that's saying something.

What's worse is I bought thevodakreviewer domain and planned on starting an ebook on here.
 
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@BassTrackerBoats - just give me a ban please, this forum is giving me cancer at this point. Can't believe a dumbass like ME, can outgrow this forum? Ridiculous. I miss the real info that used to be shared here, for FREE. Not with shit ebooks that give you ulcers.

Wouldn't surprise me if this post gets deleted too...

OP banned as he requested. He believes the forum is "giving me cancer" and we don't want that on our conscience.

Whilst the core of his concern appears to be the amalgamation and selling of information that's available for free - it's no different to someone buying a book on any topic - you buy the book as you believe your time is more valuable than the time it would take to put together that information for yourself. We don't accept many ebooks onto the marketplace, we leave that to other places...... We accept it's not a forum for everyone. Where we do draw the line is the abuse of fellow members, this is something we don't tolerate.

If you decide you're no longer able to add or receive value to or from BHW then that's your call.

If you state you want to be removed - then we understand, no hard feelings. I'll close the thread here as there is little more to add at this point and the OP has been removed at his request.
 
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