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WTF is everyone so afraid of??

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by btheory, Dec 16, 2008.

  1. btheory

    btheory Junior Member

    Dec 12, 2008
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    I gotta get this off my chest.

    I'm new to the forum, but not new to the "darker" way of thinking - not only online, but in my life and business in general.

    I've been making my living comfortably online for a little over 4 months, and I have no problems bending the rules to cash out - I actually find it far more rewarding.

    Why the FUCK does every MMO full-timer I know, and I'm talking some really talented ninja-type dudes, always say the same thing when I mention anything BlackHat???

    "Dude.. you gotta watch out man, you can get in some serious trouble"

    "I can't do that stuff man, I always feel bad"

    Feel bad for what? Feel bad that you're making money by thinking outside of the box? Feel bad that you're making a living without sitting in a cubicle?

    This forum, among other BH communities, is full of some of the most innovative methods and techniques that I've ever encountered online. Period.

    I still don't know WTF everyone is afraid of?

    Keep on BlackHatting you crazy mofo's...
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  2. fakemonkey

    fakemonkey Registered Member

    Sep 16, 2008
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    afraid of getting caught mabye. afraid of getting banned mabbyeeeee.
  3. java

    java Guest

    It might be the term itself rather than the specific tactics. Talk about gray hat and see if there is a different reaction.
  4. aмillionaírе

    aмillionaírе Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

    Apr 20, 2008
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    Some people are simply programmed by morals, you can't change that. They do bad things too, but that's why the term self-righteousness is there. Sin is sin.

    [removed some info x] :)
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  5. ugorrogu

    ugorrogu Registered Member

    May 27, 2008
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    Uninformed people tend to be the most ignorant individuals. Personally I think most ethics are like opinions, everyone has one. Whats ethical to one individual might not be to another. Plain and simple, people are not afraid they are envious.

  6. shylesson

    shylesson Power Member

    Jan 10, 2008
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    Perhaps afraid of the consequences [and there are when you get caught]. Perhaps feel bad about 'getting over' on people [I mean, would you be ok with someone getting one over on you....a few times....for bank?]. Obviously people are not all afraid as many are making bank here doing the blackest of blackhat methods even. Those who are not really balls in will display the most fear because they don't realize the methods of covering their tracks and assuring you still get paid without getting caught.
  7. imagine92020

    imagine92020 Registered Member

    Mar 1, 2008
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    Inaction is better than action
  8. izm

    izm Regular Member

    Feb 7, 2008
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    perhaps you're not on same page on the definition of black hat...
  9. bape


    Sep 15, 2008
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    are you afraid to get aids ?
  10. BMXRider


    Oct 7, 2008
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    By the word "Black" in Blackhat makes them think it's fully illegal :)
  11. eidyggidogon

    eidyggidogon Newbie

    Dec 30, 2008
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    I think people are inherently afraid of ass rape should they get caught doing something bad and go to prison.

    I know most blackhat techniques are merely shady and won't send you to prison, but it probably still psyches some people out.
  12. MaxSteve

    MaxSteve Junior Member

    Jul 6, 2008
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    ethics = opinions? Gimme a break.

    So if someone is smart enough to break into your house and steal all your shit, you're not going to be angry, just envious of them? Get real.

    It never ceases to amaze me the invincibility some of you feel just because you do your crime behind a computer. Believe it or not, you aren't all that anonymous. All it takes is one angry enough merchant to get pissed off enough and someone is going to feel the wrath of the merchant and will be made an example.
  13. justthinking

    justthinking BANNED BANNED

    Aug 13, 2008
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    I am positive you will be caught soon. I don't know if it will be online, offline, or in life, but it will happen.
  14. rudyvise

    rudyvise Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

    Jul 6, 2008
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    Well i been thinking about this.

    Lets start with cloaking. Is cloaking illegal..........no!
    Cloaking is a competitive intelligence tactic, designed to ensure you beat your competitors out of site in the SE index.

    Cookie stuffing. Is cookie stuffing illegal..........no!
    Sure, its against the service providers terms of service and they can boot you out of the programme, but illegal? I think not.
    So why not illegal?
    Well it is a question of ethics.
    -If i pay for marketing, i expect a result.
    If i pay to get customers in my shop, i want them to pay me.
    If i display suppliers goods and adverts i wanna return from them.
    So cookie stuffing is like you are standing at the door and as non-paying customers go to leave you slip a little voucher into their pocket which they can use when they do want to purchase from you. So when they purchase at the provider end, you get a return commission because you have been marketing the provider products to the eventual customer.
    Why wouldn't i want a return on my investment for doing that? What is a lottery or charity or something?

    Posting and Auto-account creation
    I just don't have time to get my site to the top of the search engine results where i want it so i automate all that stuff i would have done anyway.
    Is that illegal.. No.

    Is ewhoring illegal? No..
    A man wants to stick it in a woman, a woman a woman, or a man and man or man and a sheep.... yuk..
    but they don't know where to find each other. So you put them in touch after whispering in an ear or two?

    To be honest i could go on.

    There is very little illegal, (apart from substance abuse and alchohol) that goes on here). Which is why BHW is doing a great service for humanity.

    Don't be afraid.........get an edge............tread where most of the others have told themselves to fear. :D Just don't be a crim.


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  15. WizGizmo

    WizGizmo Super Moderator Staff Member Premium Member

    Mar 28, 2008
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    To btheory:

    It sounds to me like you are projecting something onto us as a whole which doesn't really exist. Your "romanticized" view of us is that we are some kind of dark, brooding, vampirish type of secret society who lurk in the murky underground of the cyberworld.

    In reality, we are simply individuals who have found that there are other, more effective methods to making money online than the ones shown in the standard IM books sold on Amazon.com.

    Sure . . . maybe the methods we use might be construed as a bit sneaky at times, but we embrace the "rascal" in ourselves and relish in the fact that we are thinking outside of the box.

    And as far as this "dark" thing you are talking about - it simply isn't there. My experience at BHW has shown me time-and-time-again that this forum has more positive, light-hearted and genuine individuals than you will ever find on any of the so-called "white hat" forums anywhere.

    And finally . . . being a "black-hatter" doesn't mean that one should not be careful. Your "balls-out" attitude about black hatting is going to get you into some deep trouble one of these days. Beware, my friend . . . Beware . . . You are flying too close to the flame.

    Cheers! - "Wiz"
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  16. gimme4free

    gimme4free Executive VIP Premium Member

    Oct 22, 2008
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    The people that sit there saying they are afraid are just pussies that will never make the money that black hats make. The only thing that I fear which is a bit of a nightmare is logging into one of my EPN accounts and finding out that its banned but to be honest fuck it who cares if that gets banned, Ive earnt so much out of them now anyway lol. BH is exciting :p
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  17. stunna

    stunna Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

    Sep 17, 2008
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    Too many people confuse breaking a companies terms of service with breaking a law.
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  18. small_town_boy

    small_town_boy Power Member

    Aug 14, 2008
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    I must agree to this one. Many people say they don't do illegal stuff because of morals but in many cases they are just envious of those who do that stuff and get away with it.
  19. scubaslick

    scubaslick Regular Member

    Aug 23, 2007
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    Ask yourself this before you make a moral judgement about ANYONE else:

    What would you do if you knew that you absolutely would not be punished, even by God, for whatever you did in the next 30 days?

    Most people I've posed this question to, when they REALLY gave it some time and thought, figured out that they are in fact passionate, emotional, greedy animals. I am one. You are one. We all are.

    Pretending that what others do or say is wrong or immoral is usually just a convention and a convenience for ourselves. We pretend to have morality and condemn the blackhat's actions, but that condemnation has little or nothing to do with our deep concern for the other guy, or the stability of society or blah blah.

    What we're protesting is potential harm to ourselves resulting from their actions.

    When we are angry or fearful and vocally self-righteous about other's behaviors, it typically means we see some harm to ourselves in what they've done, but if it doesn't harm us, we mostly don't give a fuck what other people do<cough FromANetwork cough>.

    Don't believe me? How many of us have hopped a plane, gone to Darfour and protested?

    <crickets chirp>

    Quit bashing the other guy and focus on taking care of yourself. Adapt or die. We have iPhones and jet planes and self-heating soup in a can and we're still, all of us, mostly hairless apes that would fuck one another both literally and figuratively if we had the chance and could avoid being caught.

    Networks fuck affiliates. Happens every day. Affiliates fuck networks happens every day. Search engines fuck everybody, happens every day. Everybody fucks everybody.

    Get over it. [edit] And get back to work.
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  20. FatherCarbon

    FatherCarbon Registered Member

    Sep 30, 2008
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    btheory, I think many of the posters in this thread took you the wrong way, but I get ya.

    Losing an account is a risk blackhats are willing to take, but the risk of being ass fucked in cell block D is beyond blackhat. Blackhat marketing is simply smarter marketing, not crime.

    I don't claim to have any superior sense of morality, but I avoid straight up fraud for the simple fact that I enjoy my freedom. I like being free to take my kids to the park, being free to eat a SuperSONIC cheeseburger, being free to drive 85 down a dark and lonely road, being free to spark a bowl when I feel the urge, being free to wank it to Redtube, being free to take a shit in the privacy of my own bathroom.

    If what you do crosses that line and you're willing to risk losing that which is most sweet in life, then you're not a blackhat. You're a criminal.

    I'm not saying all laws are perfect, but it's best to not rock the boat if you can't swim worth a shit.

    What most blackhatters do is not illegal and will never be illegal. It's just effective.