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WOW It' over for me I give up. You guys can continue working on stupid sites if it works.

Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by Android0007, Sep 16, 2009.

  1. Android0007

    Android0007 Junior Member

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    I have about 6 established site that show up on google and yahoo on the first page with a bunch of keywords. Alexa ranking in the 600.000-1,000,000... domain names are revelant to the subject of the site. All optimized for adsense. Original Content, I update 2 times a week.

    Now i would never pay for traffic because i prefer free traffic and last year everything was fine, I got 1200 hits a day on some sites. Recently i get 10-30 unique on all the sites combine together.

    Did something change recently with google or yahoo? Why i this happening. At time's when i get a click on adsense. I get anywhere from 3-4$ per click. Pretty sure I know what i'm doing since i've been working with adsense over 3 years now.

    My last site about cars brought in 30$ a day over the summer, now $0.

    Is there something i don't know about? Has the web changed dramatically?

    Even youtube is BS now. I upload videos check back a month later. Less than 100 views. Except sexy videos for ewhoring of course.

    My website topics are, Entertainment, DUI, Cars, Stock Market, A future Nintendo Wii game, etc

    I know this is long but i am really concerned. I'm beginning to believe that SEO doesn't matter because each of my domains have PR3-4 backlinks. My main site which has been active for 9 years have PR7-10 backlinks. About 1000.

    Honestly you wanna know what i understand? If you put up a site, submit it to search engines. You get nowhere if you cannot send your own uniques somehow. Either by PPC or other ways. Every day my alexa goes up about 500-1000% doing this.

    I pay members on BHW to do my backlinks. I'm satisfied.

    I am dreaded with dissappointment over the hours of work for years establishing websites. It's not like I am a newbie. My CTR are always 35-40% during my good times in the summer.

    This i BS. Good luck guys.
     
  2. UndeniableSpirit

    UndeniableSpirit Regular Member

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    I've never been a fan of SEO. You simply can't base a business on it because the work--->results lag-time is way too long.

    It definitely is still a great way of marketing, but relying solely on SEO will hurt because search engines are always changing algorithms and such.

    Just my humble opinion :)
     
  3. Realign02

    Realign02 Regular Member

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    Damn Man sounds like you had a rough road. Times will get tough... get up again. Don't quit dude.

    It's never over and there are other things you can do.

    UndeniableSpirit - I do run a SEO business on the side and It's been a lot extra money for me. It all just depends on who/what you know.
     
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  4. ~@-kanye-west-@~

    ~@-kanye-west-@~ Power Member

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    me too i never been fan of SEO...

    i prefer spamming hehe ;)
     
  5. Android0007

    Android0007 Junior Member

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    You know what also pissed me off?? GOOGLE Apps, I bought a domain name from them which seemed very very rare. A domain name that any of you BHW members would grab if you saw it haha. It was pending for 3 days! Payment processing still! went to yahoo which i hate cuz of that yearly renewal fee. Registed the same domain name and i was allowed to buy it! Now i own it though yahoo and google payment is still processing. I now can login to google and yahoo control panel to that domain. Which i f**ked! I could have easily lose that domain name cuz of google. HORRIBLE. Up to now it's still processing...
     
  6. wowhaxor

    wowhaxor Executive VIP Premium Member

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    Its called being dynamic. Adapt. Things change all the time in IM, especially SEO and SE rankings; you need to change with it.
     
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    myien Newbie

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    Hope i can have it :D
     
  8. SuperLinks

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    Well if you are looking to get out, and have a PR7 website I'd be interested in purchasing it. In fact, if you are serious I'd like to talk about potentially purchasing all of your websites. Please contact me if this is something that you would seriously consider.

    As far as SEO, it's more important now than ever. It will only continue to be in the future as well.
     
  9. bluet

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    I guess you have to increase your adsense earnings, the reason why i need a huge traffic is because adsense can be a good earnings
     
  10. UndeniableSpirit

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    That's awesome man. Maybe I will hit you up with a PM when I need to learn some advanced strategy (don't worry there will be something in it for you as well) :)
     
  11. Realign02

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    I hope you do, I'm always willing to help others.
     
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  12. Android0007

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    Well i'd like to give them away or sell them but i want to leave them up for awhile see if they'll catch themselves back. I don't know. Thinking of all the hard work I did it's hard to let go of them even tho i know someone else could use them.

    Then again, I must be greedy like most of you here lol. Really, noone gives away any secrets here. Or a method that really works great. If they do. Things become saturated and no longer works. Don't get me wrong, i tried tons of methods step by step that is shared here. You get money, but it not top notch money. You have to come up with your own method to make the big bucks. I remember making $500 a day ewhoring thats the first time i realized it's possible. That lasted 7 months so i banked on that method.

    But would anyone here share their $1000 a day method? doubt that.
     
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  13. Young Money

    Young Money Registered Member

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    I never pay attention to SEO.

    Come up with some innovative guerrilla marketing tactics. SEO is way too much work for little pay.
     
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    hey man don't get so worried.

    its the ups and downs or IM. You'll get out of it.
     
  15. azxten

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    I imagine you don't have 1,000 PR7-10 backlinks. You have purchased 1,000 PR7-10 backlinks where the PR was the main site page. Having a link 10 levels down from a PR10 site on a page that is PR0 isn't worth much. Sure, it's worth something but it's not a "PR10 backlink" in my opinion. It's a PR0 backlink.

    Your Alexa goes up when you buy traffic? Well, that's not very surprising is it? Alexa is worthless though.

    You pay other people to do your backlinks for you. Have you tried doing them yourself? Develop a list of backlinks you can do for any page. Put time into finding AUTHORITY links for your pages. A single link from a high authority page (page not site) can equal hundreds or thousands of directory, blog, forum, etc links. You can get ranked for competitive terms with ONE backlink from an authority page on the topic. Pay $100 for a single good link instead of 1,000 worthless ones.

    Your website topics all seem to be competitive. If you mean micro niches within those topics then ignore this. You should expect to have to maintain sites in these categories though. Other people will be pushing back as you rank up and new comers will be competing as well.


    You are measuring the health of your sites by looking at income, "PR" backlinks, and Alexa ranking. Stop looking at that and instead look at specific things you're trying to rank for and where you are in the SERPs.

    Would probably be easier to understand what is going wrong if you could say, "I'm trying to rank for 'hot new cars' and I was on page 1 but now I'm on page 3." In my opinion the only metric of success in SEO is SERPs so why do you seem to be ignoring them while looking at trash like Alexa?
     
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  16. Peepers

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    That was insightful; better than a cup of coffee! Thanks for your encouragement.
     
  17. sk1ll

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    I'm surprised at how many of you are discounting SEO. You do understand that the overwhelming vast majority of internet traffic is derived from the search engines, right? AND its... wait for it.... FREE TRAFFIC.

    Yeah, it has a lag time, but there is no other practice out there that can drive the results like a well SEOd website can, legally anyway.
     
  18. beaglejuice

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    Yes things have dramatically change. Check out threads about linkwheel or a paid service about linking using senuke and other programs. I understand your sentiments but what worked a few months back will not work now.
     
  19. azxten

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    One more thing...

    The whole "changing algorithm" and all that stuff really only hits you (in my opinion) when you rely on lots of worthless links. For example, link wheels is popular right now. In awhile those will be broken and people will be complaining that their page doesn't rank highly anymore. This is why I stress the whole authority thing. Getting solid links that you have to work for will weather all the algorithm changes. You don't have to worry about the algorithm changes because your site IS what Google wants to rank highly. You're not trying to trick them anymore.

    Flavor of the month methods like link wheels are excellent for ranking sites that you're happy to make a profit with for a few months then have disappear into the abyss. If you want something to stick around then you'll have to either do it the old fashioned way by looking for authority links. E-mail webmasters for pages on similar topics, etc. The hard to earn links. Otherwise you'll need some kind of spam network setup that can regenerate lost links or outdated methods for all your pages.

    Plenty of people focus on getting permanent quality links. Plenty of people focus on building a network of sites/links they control that feeds their "quality" sites. However, trying to find permanent quality links using the methods of the network spammers isn't a good plan. Pick a side.

    In my opinion it comes down to, do you want to work all the time but have it be easy work or do you want to be able to stop working and have your income maintained but have it be very difficult when you are working? They both have their positives and negatives obviously.

    This thread reminds me of a single link I got. I sent an E-mail to someone (with an @aol.com address) who had an ancient site with a high PR page on a topic I was making a site on. Nothing happened for about 6 months then he E-mailed me back and told me he added a link to my site. That's what I mean when I say high authority, hard work link.

    Think of SEO as a popularity contest. Having 100 nerds say you're cool doesn't go as far as having one of the popular kids say you're cool.
     
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  20. jimbobo2779

    jimbobo2779 Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Im with sk1ll on this. Too many people around here are discounting SEO due to lag time and perceived amount of work in favour of the short term gains of black hat techniques.

    While I would never say don't do BH I would definitely say try out SEO, if done right a couple of days work could lead to earning a couple of dollars daily upto 10$ daily (possibly more). That sounds like fuck all right? Wrong that is for literally a couple of days good work.

    Factor in the fact you can then move to the next site and rinse and repeat you could be earning $50 a day in a month, $100 a day in 2 months and upwards of $500 daily in a year of good work.

    If you do things right there is no reason this wouldn't continue with 0 work. I have sites I never touch that still rake in the same amount they were a year and half ago when I published them. The numbers above are not extraordinary and it is all passive income which is great, imagine after a year of (clever) work you could be down the pub whilst earning more money than you could ever piss up the wall.