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Would You Do CPA Fraud?

Discussion in 'CPA' started by YoungGuns, Jun 4, 2008.

  1. YoungGuns

    YoungGuns Regular Member Premium Member

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    If you knew how to fill in your offers yourself without getting caught, would you?

    Or would you not be able to sleep at night knowing that you are prettymuch stealing money from them?

    Of course, most cpa companies shave leads so they're stealing money from their affiliates...so it is kind of justified...
     
  2. MontyzPython

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    Tried it a once with a method that was going around here. Didn't like it...wouldn't do it again.

    I would rather have real, targeted people filling them out.
     
  3. wmitchell003

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    dont worry about sleeping at night worry about lawsuits and losing al of your affiliate accounts that you do the fraud with.
     
  4. Smitty

    Smitty BANNED BANNED

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    Yah, like Monty I couldn't pull myself to do it.

    Frankly, it just isn't worth it.
     
  5. havokb8

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    yah it really haunts me.....till i look at my bank account

    then everything washes away
     
  6. Orangecat

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    If I knew how to do it without getting caught, then sure. I'm not that bright though.
     
  7. Uptownbulker

    Uptownbulker BANNED BANNED

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    Yeah, you are or you would not be here.

    Learn.
     
  8. Orangecat

    Orangecat Registered Member

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    Ok you're right, I do have the basic idea of how to accomplish it, but with my luck I'd somehow get myself banned anyway. Or sued. (I didn't know they actually did that until just now...)

    I wanna give it a shot, but I'm too scared of the repercussions. I would have to be a lot more sure of whatever method I use before trying it.
     
  9. CyberDilemma

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    In one word, "No"....because the operative word is "fraud", which I believe is a crime in most jurisdictions.
     
  10. YoungGuns

    YoungGuns Regular Member Premium Member

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    They sue?:eek:
    Now I'm starting to worry more about something besides just the ethics of it!
    Do you have any other info about the suing part?

    I have a way I think I can get away with it. I do not know of any method around here; I learned it from a different source (A very expensive ebook on dp lol) The guy I bought the ebook said he's been doing it for 8 months and only been banned once. I still stay in contact with him via email, so I think he's legit.

    I may just do it for about a month or so to get some quick cash. I really want to get into smitty's ebay method, so the plan was to gather some dirty quick cash, and then start buying some wholesale. Unlike a lot of thing in internet marketing, I actually like ebay, so I'll be more motivated to actually do something.
     
  11. elvanvitar

    elvanvitar BANNED BANNED Premium Member

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    i dont know about being sued. ive never heard of anything like that. just accounts being banned. i mean could they really sue you for fraud? i mean a lot of blackhat methods could be considered fraud if you wanted to look at it that way.

    and ive seen that method from dp. it was one that was sold here at the end of 07. that ebook goes more in depth but it's pretty much the same method.
     
  12. YoungGuns

    YoungGuns Regular Member Premium Member

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    Did you do it? Would you recommend it?
     
  13. oldenstylehats

    oldenstylehats Elite Member Premium Member

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    Anytime you are getting money from a company by making them believe that you are providing them a service that you are not, it is fraud and, as stated earlier, illegal. However, the fact of the matter is that unless you're doing it on such a massive scale that you're costing the firm serious money, it's nothing to be worried about.

    Lawsuits cost a considerable amount of money. Keep that in consideration, but stay safe, whatever that means to you.

    All of that said, I've never personally done it.
     
  14. elvanvitar

    elvanvitar BANNED BANNED Premium Member

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    i have in the past. would i recommend it? hard to say. it is a big risk factor but who am i to judge how people conduct their business. best way i can answer that is if your comfortable with it then do it. each person has a line that they won't cross on how unethical they are willing to go. and only you can answer that.
     
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    elvanvitar BANNED BANNED Premium Member

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    the cpa companies are making money off of this as well. let's not forget that. and both cpa companies and the advertisers as well shave leads which costs yourself money. it's apart of the game. and any time your incentivisng non incentive offers (something that blackhatters do a lot) your making them beleve your providing a service that you are not.
     
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    I think there is a fine line between incentivized leads and completely fake leads, but I suppose it could be argued either way.
     
  17. elvanvitar

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    i agree with that. it's bigger than a fine line. but i think the sample principle applies. even if the lead is 'real' what good does it do if they never really had any interest in signing up or filling out whatever it was? it might as well be considered fake if it never converts for the advertiser.
     
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  18. shaqsquash

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    I can imagine that email and zip offers would be much easier to go under the radar for, so if I was doing CPA fraud, I'd pretty much stick to those types of offers. That ofcourse means you'd have to do alot more offers/networks to make $500+ a day but at least you'd be relatively safe.
     
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  19. YoungGuns

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    Oh yes. I'm only going to do a few offers once a day or so per network.
    If you wanted to do this on a large scale, you'll have to do this with a whole bunch of networks.
     
  20. oldenstylehats

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    I don't think either the advertisers or the affiliates looks at it this way, though I do understand what you mean. In conventional advertising (magazines, TV, billboards, etc) large sums of money are often thrown at very ineffective mediums where conversions can't be tracked because there is no real data to devise metrics from. In my personal experience, many companies advertising don't have any checks in place to really watch this, though I think that trend is changing and once it reaches a tipping point...

    This is slightly off-topic, but I think it demonstrates my point: I'd bet money that most AdWords campaigns (for example) are setup and left alone. I can't tell you how many times I've walked into an office and been told, "Well, we run a PPC campaign. It's set at $500 a day, but no one really checks it. We only notice when we check our monthly statements."