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Would this be a bad niche to get into

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by keyex, Sep 5, 2012.

  1. keyex

    keyex Registered Member

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    I'm using Ultimate Niche Finder to analyze my niches, and it's telling me that the #1 site on google has 4,799 links, and it does, but the second site on google for my keyword has 271. Now, the first result on google is a subdomain of a bigger store. Say the niche is camaro Parts(it isnt), then their domain would be usacarparts/camaro, with usacarparts being the stores home domain.

    I couldn't beat #1, but I could possibly work my way up to #2. It has 6,600 local searches, OCI is 0.95, 10,300,000 results, and the #2 result on google has the keyword as its name. Not just part of its name, but the whole domain is the keyword. It has no domains available. CPC is 1.11. The PR of #2 result is 3, and the PR of #1 result is 5, and the PR of the #1 results subdomain (/camarp) is 4.

    I'm VERY new to this, and I'm getting the hang of it, but if I could have help with 1 niche from some experts I think it would really help me along. I dont want to just be spoonfed answers, I want to be able to tell if this is good or bad on my own.

    To me it looks like it's possible to get into the #2 spot, but since the #2 spot has the keyword in the name it also makes me wonder how long it would take.
     
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  2. rody00

    rody00 Regular Member

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    It may be too hard if your new to seo. Try to find an easier keyword, they are out there you just need to keep digging.
     
  3. keyex

    keyex Registered Member

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    But why is it too hard? See I'm trying to learn why this stuff works so I can do it myself. What about everything I said tells you it's too hard?
     
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    rody00 Regular Member

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    well the op doesn't have enough information to make a clear decision, you should run it through traffic travis and take a screencap if you want people to show you why or why not to go for it.
     
  5. keyex

    keyex Registered Member

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    I just downloaded the free version of traffic travis. What exaclty should I post a screencap of? the research tab with my keyword, the dashboard or what?
     
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    yeah the keyword research tab that shows the top 10. just make sur to blackout the keyword and urls
     
  7. keyex

    keyex Registered Member

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    Well, apparently I cant post links or images.

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    Sorry, that's the best I can really do. I've never seen a forum have such a stupid spam-proofer.
     
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  8. rody00

    rody00 Regular Member

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    http://i.imgur.com/ixbEI.png

    my bad not the keyword research tab you need to use the SEO analysis tab and take a pic of the top 10 only so we can see how many have the keyword in title etc.
     
  9. Ambassy

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    It all depends on your budget etc.
    I would however target easier keywords since the PR's sound pretty high.
     
  10. keyex

    keyex Registered Member

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    See, I'm assuming that if I get to rank #2 on google I'll be set, unless getting to rank #1 is extremely critical. This is going to be a niche ecommerce site, by the way. Obviously result #1 is best, but that's almost impossible with retailers like amazon, walmart, cabelas, overstock, zappos, and all the big ecommerce giants. I've come to accept being in the top 3 is usually good enough.
    Okay, I'm uploading a picture of my rankings and competitions in the SEO tab. I'll upload it to imgur, so all you have to do is replace the ID 'ixbEI' in my previous link with whatever ID I give you, since I cant post links..

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    3 and 4 are high? I read that 1-2 usually means there isnt a market, 3-4 is ideal, 5 is okay but will take a lot of time and money, and 6+ is hopeless. Maybe I read wrong and you can correct me.
     
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  11. Techxan

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    First, just because they are in a high position for a keyword does not mean that they are optimized for the keyword. They may be there because they are the best choice Google has available for that spot.

    Fuck it, jump on that rascal and see where you end up. Even if it is a failure the education will be invaluable.
     
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    Would you not take the keyword just underneath your original one?
     
  13. keyex

    keyex Registered Member

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    well, I already had a nice eduactional failure with a BMW website.That's when I learned about researching suppliers before jumping in.
    I really dont want to waste time and money more than I have to.. I've read a few books, and I'm trying to learn all I can. This keyword, to me, looks like a good deal, but I'm a noob and who knows what I might be missing. It seems like everyone reading my topic thinks its probably a bad keyword, but I just dont understand what makes you think that. Like, what do you look at that I've posted that makes you say "that number is too high" or "that isnt an attribute of a good keyword". I'm just trying to learn all I can.

    No, that keyword is completely off what I'm trying to do. That keyword is "[my keyword] game." and I'm not selling games.
     
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  14. rody00

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    it looks like alot of work but if you click view details and post that data it would be the best way to determine if it's worth geting into.

    you want to make sure the top ten has at least a couple PR 0 or N/A and a few sites with less than 10 backlinks. I also make sure atleast 3 of the top ten don't have the keyword in the url or title.
     
  15. keyex

    keyex Registered Member

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    Alright, done. In my eyes, these results look good. Am I wrong with thinking that a PR of 1-2 means there isnt a market that's worth reaching?

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    Hey, thank you guys for your help so far. Rather this keyword is good or not, this thread has helped me find a new tool for research.
     
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    it is not an ideal keyword because 3 of the top 5 have the keyword in title and only one of the top ten has a pr of less than 3 and the backlinks are quite high on most of them aswell.

    Pr of 1-2 doesn't necessarily mean the market is not worth reaching.

    hope this helped
     
  17. keyex

    keyex Registered Member

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    That helps a ton!

    So you're telling me an ideal keyword would be something like:
    competition average Page rank should be 3. no higher than 3 and no lower than 2.
    Local monthly searches of 5000+
    OCI of .80+
    The backlinks should be sigificantly less than 60 and 80,000 like on my current keyword? maybe around 5,000 to 10,000?
    And last, you should be able to get a domain with the keyword in it.
     
  18. anishrip23

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    It is very hard keyword to rank. Try another keyword with very low competition.
     
  19. keyex

    keyex Registered Member

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    stevejones003 Newbie

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    If you are doing SEO on your own,give it a try without thinking too much.