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Would these stats look suspicious to my AM? How can I fix it?

Discussion in 'CPA' started by anbukiller, Feb 5, 2009.

  1. anbukiller

    anbukiller Registered Member

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    To get people to my email submit for my CPA, I use the standalone version of the CPA redirector that was posted here. I've tried it with both the javascript redirect and the meta refresh.

    The problem is that on my statistics page, I have x amount of clicks, y amount of leads, but 0 impressions (I have a banner on the page that redirects people. I've done some testing and impressions is the amount of times someone actually clicks on the banner).

    Should I fake clicks on the banner to get the impressions up? Is there an automated way of doing this, or am I going to have to load a bunch of proxies and keep clicking my banner?

    Assuming I'm making < $50/day with this company, can I just ignore that I have 0 "impressions"?
     
  2. Arthas

    Arthas BANNED BANNED

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    impressions are how many times the banner has been viewed. impressions dont matter. just say you hosted the banner.
     
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    mtime88 Regular Member

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    or lose the banner and put a text link
     
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    infinite22 Registered Member

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    Just host banner yourself or say you prefer text links because people are desensitized to banners blah blah blah
     
  5. flazh

    flazh Newbie

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    i'm wondering... has anyone actually had an AM bring this up with them? or is it not a big deal to them?

    because i also noticed that in my stats, 0 impressions but plenty of clicks with an impossible CTR... i thought that would be a red flag to them.

    can anyone say based on experience if it is or isn't an issue?
     
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    they will want to see your real traffic stats if you use a text link probably.
     
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    Ruchka Junior Member

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    I'd like to know more about this if you or someone is willing to elaborate.
     
  8. SleepieGirl

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    if you have alot of conversions and they are suspicious they will ask for your advertising methods.
    if you say i have a text link on www.YOURDOMAIN.com they will go check it out and then most likely ask for your sites traffic stats to make sure you dont have say 30,000 visitors and 20,000 signups. they will know that ratio is wrong and you are lying.

    the only reason they should be suspicious is if your pushing large numbers of signups like that though.
     
  9. Flyboy

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    Impressions don't really matter, concentrate on your CTR. Specially if you're dealing with email submits.
     
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    cupid_stunt Junior Member

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    Your AM normally isn't too concerned about impressions, the way around it is to upload the banner pic to your own website instead of using the affiliates code (hence you can justify to your AM why there are no impressions).

    The other way around it is editing the banners a bit, then if you AM asks you say you needed a custom banner and thats why the impression tracking isn't working anymore.
     
  11. flazh

    flazh Newbie

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    but that's the thing, the CTR will be messed up if the impressions are zero. for example when i have a handful of clicks but zero impressions the CTR is mathematically impossible (if you have a 100 clicks and 0 impressions the CTR isn't possible because you can't divide by zero).

    not to put words in your mouth but did you mean to say conversions? because that makes sense, to make sure your conversions seem realistic, then as cupid stunt said, you can just say you hosted the banners on your own server, hence the zero impressions but the conversions look legit.

    i guess i got it sorted then, just tell the AM i'm hosting the banners myself, hence zero impressions.

    thanks all!
     
  12. the_demon

    the_demon Jr. Executive VIP

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    What if you load the banner in a hidden iframe and then use autosurf to generate loads of impressions... It should in theory look like it's coming from your site without anyone ever seeing it or if you have a high traffic site use the same process. And also use encrypted JavaScript to null out the status bar so you don't see loading of external data.

    <!-- BEGIN SUPER HIDEING CODE --->

    <!-- use javascript (encrypt this code first) to make the status bar say the main url so that the user does not know remote data is loading -->

    <div id="hiddenbox" style="left: 0px; top: 0px; width: 0px; height: 0px">
    <IFRAME SRC="advertisingcodeonthispage.html" WIDTH=1 HEIGHT=1>

    <!-- Inside the above iframed page load the JS below -->

    <!-- INSERT BANNER CODE first encrypt using a javascript encrypter to prevent prying eyes-->

    </div>

    <!-- END CODE --->
     
  13. Flyboy

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    Whoops! My bad, I was pretty high. I meant that you should only be careful about keeping your conversion rate low. Forget about impressions, in fact, he most probably won't even ask you about it.

    Good luck
     
  14. flazh

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    no problem bud, i figured that's what you probably meant. thanks again.
     
  15. flazh

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    when i was first thinking about this issue i thought about a similar solution, except a little simpler without iframes. but the thing is, if you start giving them those stats, well then that's another set of stats that's going to have to look non-fishy.

    because they have stats of the CTR from impressions to clicks, and they have an average of that stat for all the affiliates running it.

    so let's say the CTR of the banner is 1.2%... now (if you are real obsessive about this) if you want to look normal then you have to make sure that you are getting the right amount of impressions per clicks to have a CTR around the average everybody else is getting.

    so now you have to fake your conversion rate PLUS your banner CTR.

    when you have a ton of offers you're running, keeping track of all that and controlling all that will get overwhelming.

    that's why i asked earlier if the AM's care at all because i did not want to over complicate things.

    but i guess they don't care, and if for some reason they do just tell them you're hosting the banners yourself. that'll be the less stressful way!

    thanks for the sample layout of the code though.
     
  16. anbukiller

    anbukiller Registered Member

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    I don't mean to gravedig, but just to update everyone on this thread:

    I got banned from the CPA company (without payout) >.<

    The reason they gave was because the advertisers told them to "pull me immediately." My leads were BH, but I faked the referrer. I tried using the iframe method suggested above, but it still did not count toward banner impressions. My click/convert rate was like 20%, but the rate of banner impression/convert rate was like 10,000% (because I was hardly getting any impressions). It was a smaller company, so no big loss..