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Would I lose link juice if I use a buffer site in this fashion?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by GooglesMostWanted, Oct 5, 2011.

  1. GooglesMostWanted

    GooglesMostWanted Regular Member

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    I'm starting a campaign for a very big social networking company. They are spending tens of thousands per month on traffic and content.

    They want organic visitors for their website. I want to be as discreet as possible.

    I want to create 3 buffer sites. I want to register 3 domains that will belong to the company and I want to build the links to these domains instead of backlinking the social network directly. I want to minimize footprint and any future potential of penalization.

    So 3 buffer sites that will be funneled juice from blog posts, web 2.0 links, manual blog comments as the first tier, and scrapebox/xrumer blasts to get the blog posts/web 2.0 links/blog comments even more juice.

    For the 3 buffer sites, I want to create 5 unique articles. All the domains will have 1 outbound link to the main money site.

    Would I lose link juice if I used the 3 buffer domains that only had 1 outbound link each?

    +REP/thanks for good replies.
     
  2. jon_xx_x

    jon_xx_x Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    They're spending tens of thousands and this is your best plan?
    No you own't lose juice, why would you?

    You could make a random link to make it less obvious if you want.
     
  3. GooglesMostWanted

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    I didn't mean tens of thousands on my campaign.

    The budget is actually kind of small for the SEO specifically, but as far as content and promotion goes, they are spending tens of thousands.

    The above plan I outlined is just the beginning to get some quick rankings for them. After this, I'm going to get into wiki links, doc sharing links, download links, pdf links, twitter/facebook links... I can go on and on.

    I just wanted to give an example so the question can be answered.

    Thanks Jon.
     
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    Sounds like you should point half of the 2.0s to your 3 buffer sites and the rest to your main site.
     
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    Yeah it's fine. I'd do more than 3 though, personally.
     
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  6. GooglesMostWanted

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    I'm trying to minimize the visibility of the unnatural links the website receives

    Great advice... how many would you recommend? 5 ? 10 ?
     
  7. SuperLinks

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    Will you lose linkjuice? Naturally since there will still be pages on the site that have links correct? These aren't simple one page landing pages, are they?

    If this is indeed a huge social networking company most of the overall value will be from on-site, versus lower quality linkwheels being setup. Again, assuming that this is a large social networking site, they will have solid backlinks already and a ton of linkjuice that you can use wisely ON-SITE and across the network to really do some cool stuff. That should be your first strategy.

    It sounds like you are trying to stay below radar with your linkbuilding efforts for this campaign. Which makes sense. What I wouldn't do though is register/host them through the companies information. Tools like DomainTools.com will allow users to see all domains registered to a specific company/persons name and it would suck to have this easily uncovered by a competitor. Frankly, it'd be way to easy to identify it. What I'd suggest is using some higher quality sources for blog posts and create your own link wheels using Pay Per Posts/private blog networks either straight to the social network and/or purchasing domains outside of the company name for your buffers. If this is a big social network you could get very creative in how you set up this campaign and no one would be able to spot a thing.
     
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  8. GooglesMostWanted

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    Thanks for taking the time to respond.

    It's not a huge social networking site yet, but the amount of resources being poured into it can make it a great site. They currently only have 200 backlinks which is dismal. They have been paying a certain company thousands of dollars to send them visitors to their website. I'm not talking about shitty traffic, I'm talking about them paying companies that deal with major news outlets/media sites... I guess these are media buys? Ya, sound like a total noob but I strictly focus on SEO so I don't know much. They get about 6k visitors per day from these sources. I'm sure it's not cheap.

    As far as the pages, you are right.. if I have multiple pages on the site then I'd be transfering link juice out to those pages... even though they aren't outbound, they still take juice away correct?

    What would your plan be for the buffer site, SuperLinks? How would you create the buffer site so that link juice is efficiently passed from buffer to money site?

    I definitely hear you on the domain buying tips. I will definitely tell them to use different emails/registrars to register the buffer domains as well as to add whois privacy of course. I might even tell them to go as far as to register 2 domains per registrar so that the private whois is not the same for all 10 domains.

    Unfortunately, up till now I've only spoke to them about the off-site SEO of the website. Once we got some link juice pouring to the domain/innerpages, I'll talk to them about taking advantage of on site links to rank keywords in Google.
     
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    As far as the pages, you are right.. if I have multiple pages on the site then I'd be transfering link juice out to those pages... even though they aren't outbound, they still take juice away correct?

    Yes, the linkjuice will filter throughout the pages on the website. Therefore it wouldn't be a 1:1 ratio on pagerank to your clients website, but it'd be close.

    What would your plan be for the buffer site, SuperLinks? How would you create the buffer site so that link juice is efficiently passed from buffer to money site?

    The same way that you are going to be setting it up. Honestly though I'd probably reevaluate this strategy altogether. While it greatly depends on the social network, their onsite optimization strategies, their privacy settings (ie what Google can see vs. whats restricted). Those factors will greatly affect the overall campaign altogether. For example, Facebook would have an entirely different approach towards SEO than a site like Reddit or Digg for example. Instead of working your ass off for rankings (which again, who knows what keywords they are going after) I'd look internally and figure out how you could get your preexisting userbase to create links FOR YOU. That's where the power of social networks + SEO comes in. It doesn't have to do with manually building links. I can assure you Facebook, Reddit, Digg and many other social networking/bookmarking/whatever sites never had any linkbuilding done. Their users did it for them.
     
  10. eldran

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    If this is such a big campaign in total, why not use white hat link bait / acquisition tactics if you are that worried about the risk of black hat auto-linking?

    E.g.: Hire some local arts students in videogaphy classes for free (to get stuff on their portfolio - or outsource to the Philippines) to make funny, interesting infographics and movies and get viral links - go social with that viral content if it is a frickin social company no?

    Otherwise (or in addition to):

    different c-blocks in different countries if possible

    different registrars

    one link per domain is sufficient, natural ,in the article, PARTIAL MATCH - you can do more but what is the point? just increases the risk of spam filters and has little value

    booster sites must have some traffic / usage too

    are your booster sites new? then you can't just blast auto-links to them

    I would point some of these auto links to low hanging easily removable pages on the existing 200 link site - it should be able to handle at least 80 questionable links safely.

    of course be careful your anchor text is randomly spun and on multiple topics - and this has to be dripped over the course of days or weeks to be safe
     
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    Just push all you your backlinks through the buffer sites..

    People get so hung up on losing "LINKJUICE" dont be so anal about this! Infact your buffer sites should have "do follow" links to relevant wikipages and other authority sites. This gives the buffer more authority!

    having only one link out makes google start thinking blog farm!!! and you really don't want that to happen to your client! I have had a 13 site blog farm and money site disappear overnight because I was only linking to my money site from the blogs! This is a big nono. this was many years ago and I have learnt my lesson.
     
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