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Would anyone ever give jobs to a non native writer?

Discussion in 'Associated Content & Writing Articles' started by shenacks, Aug 20, 2012.

  1. shenacks

    shenacks Registered Member

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    Hello everyone, there is a "syndrome" that I would like to share in this thread. I call it the "NON-NATIVE SYNDROME". I have been a full-time freelance writer for about three years and all along I have been encountering different difficulties.

    In the very beginning, I was faced with the issue of clients not wanting to hire me. WHY? Because I am not a native speaker/writer, even when they are yet to read my articles. I was also compelled to stick to outsourcing sites such as Elance due to payment method issues. I really need your advice on this issue.

    Thanks.
     
  2. steelballs

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    I think I know where you are coming from...

    • Regarding folks who have a prejudice - ignore their preferences - while at the same time laughing at their acute lack of business acumen
    • Ditch elance et al and start to market and promote your writing skill sets, the work orders will then begin to flow...

    My 2 cents.
     
  3. sup3rnova

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    Why do you feel the need to mention the fact that you are a non native? I know many natives who can barely spell and can't even write simple sentences correctly. If you are a capable copywriter, I hardly see this as a problem.
     
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    Exactly, it doesn't matter if you're a native or not... I'm not, and nobody complains about my posts and articles.
    Most natives have no idea what grammar is... so, keep up the good work and learn how to sell yourself as a pro-writer, that's far more important than where you come from.
     
  5. shenacks

    shenacks Registered Member

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    Thanks for that heads up. However, the issue remains how and where can I market my writing skills? I have tried doing that here, but no positive results.
     
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    Set up a website waxing lyrical about your prowess with the quill .....blah... blah...
    Get the traffic coming in
    The orders will follow...
     
  7. synfig

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    I am working as an article writer for one person and he's also non-native. Not to plug myself here but He and I both know what is going on for SEO and the prejudice with content from native writers. I think as long as content is well researched and is readable it doesn't matter who wrote it.

    That said, I am from India and we have lot of similar native domination issues and racism issues there. I hardly mind anything when people over web, attempt to insult me over non-native stuff. At the end of the day, work and money matters, as long as the person at the other end is not going to scam you.

    Life is too short for discrimination of any type. I hate being on either side.
     
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    Shenacks, You raise a great point and question.

    Often times, regardless of how much we think humans are evolving, progressing or getting better (sic), we are faced with the facts that prejudiced people exists. Now, in life, since you can only control what you do and how you react, you might want to consider evaluating your plan of attack.

    In this forum post, I outline some steps I recommend to writers that will help you form a plan, set goals and identify products you can offer to clients.

    The important thing to remember, is exactly what I said, you can't change others, but you can change what you do to get more clients. It is not an easy road, but often times, we never arrive where we want to go, because we really don't know where we are going.

    Don't leave your life to chance, plan it!

    Hope this helps!

    Shawn
     
  9. krishnaverma

    krishnaverma Power Member

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    I had been working as a content writer for some time now. I always have enough work to keep me busy(with my keyboard. And let me tell you I do not even have a website for this service and I am also not a native writer. Most of my clients are returning clients.
     
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    This is the important thing for writers. OP raises a fair point....there is a bias toward native speakers..This is not my opinion its a fact you can see it in listings for writers wanted. Once you deliver quality content your customers will come back and over time you will build a solid customer base and a large back catalogue of quality work to present to potential clients
     
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    Exactly. Quality first. I don't see any of the writers advertising their nativity. Portfolio is the thing that counts.

     
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    My thought is, try not to mention that you're not native, and if you're really that good, why say you're not? I've met some non-natives that can write so much better than natives its not even funny
     
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    As someone who has hired plenty of writers, I fully understand why people wouldn't want to hire non-native writers. From my experiences with them

    - They generally make grammatical errors that a native would not make
    - The writing often flows poorly
    - Even if there aren't any major grammatical errors, the writing rarely features regular expressions, which results in it sounding robotic
    - They aren't familiar with local cultural references, therefore cannot write about them

    Thats not to say that native writers are always good, but in general they are better than non-native writers. When a language is your first language, you're going to be better at it than those who learned it later. Some people have tried to fool me before, saying that English is their native language, however its usually pretty obvious that its not. The fact that I can tell, suggests that my website readers can also tell.

    Its almost like someone with a thick accent. If you have a thick accent, you're going to be hard to understand. Is it because I'm prejudiced? No, its because I can't understand what you're saying. When I travel to other countries like France for example, and people there have trouble understanding me (despite the fact that I'm technically fluent in French), I'm not offended. I realize that I sound different, and its a challenge for them to understand me. Furthermore, I realize that I would never get a job there as a writer.
     
  14. sup3rnova

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    See, I bet the OP can differentiate "it's" from "its", although he isn't native and you are. :)

     
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    The quality of someone's accent and writing skills in any language has nothing to do with whether it was their native language or the second one that they learned. But more so with which one they use often,and how long they have been using it. It is totally possible for a non native to have a native accent without acting it and having perfect grammar as natives have.
     
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    I'm sure he can. But that isn't the main issue that English speakers have with non-native writers.
     
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    as demonstrated above.
     
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    Again, totally true, however in that case, the person would be wise to claim that they are a native writer. If their writing is good enough that you can't tell the difference, it wouldn't really matter.
     
  19. sup3rnova

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    Well, as a person hiring a few, I can tell you that I'd fire the one who writes "its" instead of "it's" momentarily. And as someone saying they can't be fooled into buying a non-native writer, I think you ought to at least show the basic grammar knowledge in your own writing to be taken seriously. No hard feelings, just my 2 cents.

     
  20. MermaidMurder

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    It is not bias at all. Its averages man. If only 3/10 non native speakers are good writers then why even look? Time waster most the time. With that said I get mine from krishnaverma. So I think I can see both sides. Because in your eyes I am prolly "bias" but nah I just don't want to deal with silly stuff. I think that is a bit of a cop out for trying to understand someone's actions.
    Truth is "native speakers" on average know eng better. Then ins and outs of our lang. You know the slang terms and culture is important for users reading the content. I bet 9/10 of the buyers you come across are lazy.. That is why they are looking for a writer. That means he isn't really doing a good job hiring most the time. They prolly don't proof read after the first time cuz they lazy.
    just my 2 cents


    Oh and I love the stealth sales thread... How many pms you got so far?:no:
     
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