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Wolfram Alpha "FAIL"

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by davioli, May 18, 2009.

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Your verdict on Wolfram Alpha

  1. Wolfram FAIL

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  2. Wolfram in with a shout

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  1. davioli

    davioli Regular Member

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    So..

    It just launched yesterday
    www.wolframalpha.com

    Owning an Acai berry site...I instinctively typed the term
    "acai berry" ..

    It shows absolutely nothing!
    I tried many other terms..even science related which show nothing. I tried the defautl searches listed on the right like "New York" and after seeing the results(which are way too small..even Encyclopedia Brittanica can provide better info) I think i'll stick to Google.

    The whole concept of storing data from the WEB and then relaying it in structures based on user queries makes it "limited".
    It is limited to the amount of people/computers who can sift through the data and store it in the system.

    It is by no means a competitor to Google. It shouldn't even be classed as such. Heck..It can't even compete with Wikipedia.

    Google are coming up with their own version "Google squared" which is based on external websites similar to Google search except that it will structure the information.

    My verdict: Its even worse than Cuil.

    What do you think?
     
  2. snowwhite

    snowwhite Power Member

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  3. ifuel

    ifuel Newbie

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    I have tried it and I like it. As snowwhite says, ask a question, and you should see some results.
     
  4. coolnamebob

    coolnamebob Registered Member

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    When i heard about this new search site last month i googled it and found nothing!

    Some strange irony there.....
     
  5. thechairman

    thechairman Registered Member

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    Try puting in "strawberry" or "kale"... that's kind of neat.
     
  6. iprefernotto

    iprefernotto Newbie

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    I'm quite impressed by Wolfram, considering it's life for just 3 days:
    Code:
    wolframalpha.com/input?i=how+old+was+elvis+when+winston+churchill+died%3F
    Remember how Google was in 1999...

    And it can even answer faaaar more difficult questions ;)
    Code:
    wolframalpha.com/input/?i=what+is+the+meaning+of+life%3F
     
  7. davioli

    davioli Regular Member

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    Well.. It is interesting i concede...yet..Its very limited. Even though its in Alpha mode at the moment...It doesn't have the potential to go really far.

    I think ..I reiterate my earlier post even more..Maybe even I made the mistake of comparing it with Google. It's something totally different.

    Id say its almost useless for the ordinary person. I wouldn't want to know Elvis's age type of questions every day...but Id be searching for other stuff more than 50 times a day on Google.

    It will remain..no doubt. But it just isn't anything new.
    I describe it is "just another wikipedia with an ordinary search algorithm"
     
  8. Sweetfunny

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    It's brilliant, if you think you can punch in random words like Google you are mistaken.

    OP punch in some acai components like:

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    http://www58.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=aspartic+acid
    See the difference? Of course people who don't understand it, and have no use for advanced information and data will think it's a fail.
     
  9. davioli

    davioli Regular Member

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    lol...I can't stop laughing. The whole point of this was that its not for the mainstream public. I've said time and time again..its more of wiki on a different search algorithm.

    The fact that you can't punch in random words like google...means that it has a more inferior algorithm that previously thought. It makes it useful for a limited few..most likely for scientific research. Even then..mostly for facts and figures nothing much.

    Its a FAIL because it has been dwarfed by its own created media hype. It has not failed due to how it works. What it has is something new...just not something soooo good that's worth all this hype. Its ordinary.
     
  10. justone

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    This poll is stupid.
    wolfram alpha is no google concurrence and it is not a internet search engine like google .....
    This tool is most near to a wikipedia killer, it's an answer machine which knows the facts it can answer.

    When you look for "usa" in wikipedia you receive a page some user created, nothing more.
    When you look for "usa" in wolfram then wolfram knows what it is writing to you.
    So it can compare each of the values, it can calculate with them and the answers you receive are based on expert documents and not some 11y.o. writings.

    That's just one example, it has an extremely deep source of information on various topics.


    At the moment it does not look like Wolfram Alpha can be used/abused for sneaking your links/pages in. It's mainly like a non-editable but intelligent wikipedia.
     
  11. Sweetfunny

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    Neither are inferior, Google is an information storage and retrieval system and WA is computational. What's inferior is the user trying to perform tasks with a tool not built for the job.
     
  12. davioli

    davioli Regular Member

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    I agree. It isn't a google competitor. It is a wiki competitor...

    My reasoning for the poll: It has failed..it has not been marketed as a wiki killer (@justone)it has been compared with Google everywhere.
    Therefore..As a wiki killer it maybe has a chance.

    @sweetfunny...you're right. My error.
     
  13. davioli

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    Davioli, calling it an inferior algorithm? An algorithm that collects information from the web and arranges it into cohesive information!! Do you realize that this is the FIRST algorithm you have interacted with that tries to read and process a language?

    You may speculate on its commercial viability and usefulness to the general public but belittling its architecture only exposes you as a vision lacking, simplistic minded person.
     
  15. davioli

    davioli Regular Member

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    Oh.. Voicing my OPINION now makes me a "simplistic minded vision lacking person?"
    I posted this thread for some constructive discussion...I did not call names to the people who have thought otherwise. In fact I even agree with "justone" and "sweetfunny"s claims. They are right in what they said.

    Please explain why its better..instead of saying what kind of a person I am. I may not know much about complex architecture...Yet I do not criticize others..just because of their opinion.
     
  16. crashed

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    This is some real serious Language interpretation AI algorithm here, its more advanced then googles which just deals with numbers (how many links, how popular, how many times a keword appeards) as it deals with Language.

    I've got some much needed answers out of it, and already am thinking of ways to make money from it :) Google hasn't got this technology yet, poor guys...
     
  17. BozoClown

    BozoClown Junior Member

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    Sorry for going after you a little harshly. I happen to be interested in AI, machine learning and language processing, and by such happen to see the big step taken by Wolfram Alpha towards the holy grail on a number of fronts.
     
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  18. S M W

    S M W Junior Member

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    but does it know....

    wolframalpha.c0m/input/?i=airspeed+of+an+unladen+African+swallow
     
  19. a n o n y m o u s

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    Search "artificial intelligence" on the computational mastermind. Then look down at the characters played in the cast. :p