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WizGizmo's Response To Harro's Thread of June 29th - Everyone Please Read

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by WizGizmo, Jul 1, 2008.

  1. WizGizmo

    WizGizmo Super Moderator Staff Member Premium Member

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    Greetings To All My Fellow B-Hatters!

    First I want to say that, by no means, do I have any authority on this great forum, but I do care very much about the forum, I feel privileged to be a member, and I want only the best for BHW.

    Yestereday, there was a big pow-wow going on in the thread that was posted by Harro, called "Everyone Read This And Comment" http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/blackhat-lounge/17396-everyone-read-comment.html

    Anyone who cares about BHW and hasn't read the thread should do so. It will give you an indication of the general "temperature" and mood that the forum is operating on at this time. And speaking of temperature, Harro's thread became very heated at times, due to the strong feelings and opinions that were being expressed by the members who took part in the discussion. I must admit that I, myself, started to get a bit hot under the collar at times, but I'm over it now.
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    For the most part, the discussion centered around the following things:

    1) The concern that Black Hat World is turning into a "warez forum".

    2) That the forum's boards are beginning to be filled by far too many requests for specific ebooks, software,
    and junk completely unrelated to internet marketing (both, on the boards and through private PM's), yet many of the people requesting those items never offer anything themselves and are really just "takers" who are unconcerned about anything other than getting free stuff.

    3) That most of the download posts on the forum are for crappy, useless ebooks, and that the informative posts by knowledgeable members of BHW are what is of real value, therefore it is proposed that the downloads should be eliminated or somehow reduced or controlled.

    4) How do we arrive at solution to the above-mentioned concerns.

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    I would like to address the first concern by saying that, YES, I also believe that BHW is starting to "smell" a bit like a "warez forum" - especially when certain people are requesting download links to "The Secret" (which is actually a very old concept that is being touted as a fantastic new revelation and being promoted and monetized by people like Dr. Joe Vitale, who was, at one time, a well-respected copywriting and Internet Marketing Guru, but who I have completely lost any respect for since he started and has perpetuated that idiotic campaign). And, as a recent example, another request on the boards has been for "Underground Hypnosis", which is completely off-topic in regards to what this forum is supposed to be about, which is IM (Internet Marketing). Yes, I'll admit that I have included some off-topic downloads in some of my past and recent large download posts, but for the most part, my posts were Internet Market related and usually contained some valuable and hard-to-get software and ebooks. As of now though, I have resolved not to include any links to off-topic downloads, because it may contribute to others wanting to request and/or post unrelated software and ebooks. I also resolve to refrain from posting links to ebooks which were written in 2003-2006 (with the possible exception of materials which are essentially of a "timeless nature" and still work today).

    That being said, I also think that members should refrain from making posts like "Look At This", which contains a link to a monkey scratching his ass, or something as ridiculous as that. This is not a Kiddie Social Networking Blog. It is a forum for people who sincerely want to learn effective techniques that help them get the edge on making some real money on the internet. If you want to post stupid, unrelated stuff, I suggest that you go back to MySpace or somewhere else, where people get off on stuff like that, but to do that on this forum is uncalled for, unproductive, it will not make you popular, and it only distracts from the real intention of this forum.

    Next, I would like to address the concern that there are far too many requests (and yes, sometimes even DEMANDS it seems) for numerous ebooks and software on this forum - and what pisses a lot of members off is the fact that most of the people making these requests have previously contributed very little or nothing in the way of posts to BHW. You have a score card located in the upper right hand corner of any post you make, and if members see that you have very few or no posts at all, yet you are consistently requesting this or that download, they immediately detect that you are a "taker" and not a giver, and correctly perceive that you are of no value. This forum is about give and take. So I suggest that you look at your score card, do an honest self-evaluation, and ask yourself "How much have I given to this forum?" before repeatedly requesting specific items.

    Another thing I wish to suggest to many of those who constantly post requests for specific items is LEARN A LITTLE INDEPENDENCE. Many of the items you are requesting can be obtained by the black hat methods revealed in previous posts on this forum. Some of the most welcomed PM's I get are from individuals who ask me how I go about getting access to so many great downloads, and I tell them, I learned most of the techniques from the thread right here on BHW:

    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/member-downloads/7499-what-google-download-trick.html

    I suggest you use the Alexa method mentioned in that thread. It is the most effective one.

    So you see . . . There is no big secret. I also use a great desktop Rapid*Share search engine called "Mayoko" and find all kinds of cool stuff with it - but I suggest you always virus-check any software you get through Rapid*share or anywhere else for that matter. A thread and link to Mayoko is somewhere on this forum.

    Now you know just as much as I do . . . so if you are looking for the latest, greatest program or ebook, use the above-mentioned methods, take a little initiative, and go out and get it yourself. You'll be surprised at what you will find. NOTE: Some companies or ebook authors HEAVILY secure and protect their downloads through PayLoadz or other means. Therefore, you will find that there are times when you may just have to give up your quest of a particular item - but hey! . . . there is lots of great stuff out there, so no big loss.

    Well, there you have it. You should be able to drastically reduce your need to request software from this forum if you use the tools I mentioned above.

    Finally, in regards to a solution to the issues that were presented in Harro's post yesterday, I hope that I have proactively presented at least a couple of possible solutions - but it is up to you as individuals to implement them. I believe that it is up to each and every one of us to do our own "self-moderating" to a certain degree. It would make things so much easier for the hard-working moderators and administrators of this board if we did. So go ahead - prove your salt on this forum. Resolve to be a valued member. You are welcome to wear your black hat in this house, but please, leave your egos at the door. . .

    Love This Forum And Everyone On It!

    "WizGizmo"
     
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  2. themagician

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    WizGizmo,

    I am a member on another forum where I must balance my downloads with uploads in the traditional Torrent manner.

    When someone first joins there is so much good stuff to download that it might be tempting to download everything and then run. However, this is impossible as the downloads are restricted and, after a certain ratio, you are blocked and unable to download anything new until your ratio has improved. Alternatively, and this is the main point I am getting to, you can improve your ratio by purchasing download megabytes. The pricing on the forum I am using as an example is as follows and is in euros.

    For every 10 euros you get 15 GB
    For a donation of 50 euros you get 100 GB
    For a donation of 100 euros you get 250 GB

    What I am suggesting the Administrators think about is a similar system when a newbie joins, although I think the download amounts are too high on the above example.

    Once the newbie reaches a certain amount of posts, say Junior Member, this could be scrapped altogether as he/she has 'proved' themselves not to be merely leechers.

    It must be said I am opposed to such a system and so you might wonder why I am suggesting it but feel it is possibly the only way to strengthen the community here and prevent people from joining just to get the massive amount of free downloads in a hit and run manner. If implemented a system such as this would not affect the majority of members here as they have already reached or passed Junior Member level.

    Anyway, it's just a thought from a relative newbie myself, which other members here can pick to bits, improve upon or throw in the trash without further thought.

    themagician
     
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  3. oldenstylehats

    oldenstylehats Elite Member Premium Member

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    The only problem I can see with this sort of payment model is that selling access is tantamount to the administrators profiting off of serious copyright infringement which I believe is one of a few reasons they are considering getting rid of the section to begin with.
     
  4. themagician

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    Yes I had thought of this but it doesn't seem to be a problem to other forums, not that because they get away with it makes it right. Maybe that is why the term 'donation' is used and it is solely for more download megabytes not a cost per download title.

    themagician
     
  5. boomboomer

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    One could use any term but the fact remains that people will have to pay to download ...

    Also, is the risk worth it especially if BHW is not a warez forum and warez seeking audience is not what it is looking for?
     
  6. themagician

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    Appreciate your point, boomboomer, but it's not only typical warez here available to download, or are you advocating no downloads available whatsoever, just a discussion board?

    themagician
     
  7. boomboomer

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    It's actually a gray area. My take is that anything that's useful for blackhatters should be allowed. But then the question would arise as to who would decide what 'useful' is...
     
  8. samloron

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    You run into a dead-end. It would be best to just stop talking about the whole thing and let the system play itself out as it has been doing for all its existence. The people will just have to cope with it. How the forum is now is probably the best condition it can be when you evaluate all of these points in this thread and the other thread by HaRRo.
     
  9. Diabolik

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    Are you talking about the vault? I did exactly what you're talking about. The problem is that because it's so exclusive there's not enough leechers and there's no way to know that before you start downloading. I sit there seeding 24 hours a day and nothing ever uploads. It ain't MY fault! I mean I'm trying to share, but nothing happens.

     
  10. DaveNL

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    @Wizgizmo

    I do agree with 90% of you post but


    This is where i don't agree with you i think it is ok to have such post once in a while, we don't have to take our self to serious and a joke or a funny post can be a nice change, sure it shouldn't be a myspace kinda thing but common your now creating extra problems that aren't there, i don't see a excessive amount of "joke threads" or i must be missing something here.

    For the rest i agree with ya (for what it is worth)
     
  11. WizGizmo

    WizGizmo Super Moderator Staff Member Premium Member

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    To DaveNL:

    I agree that it is fine to exercise a bit of humor now and then to break up the intensity. The only thing I am concerned about is individuals who don't know how to do those things in moderation. I don't know - maybe I am getting too "heavy". Harro's thread kind of made me feel like I have to "walk on eggshells" now. I'll get over it. Thanks for the reality check. :)

    "Wiz"
     
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  12. Guddamit

    Guddamit Newbie

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    Hey WizGimzo, just to let you know that your downloads are appreciated. You have saved me several wasted purchases already and for that I am greatful. The dl section is good for many reasons, the one most beneficial to me has been that, before BHW, I have foolishly paid out money on over hyped products, received less than favorable after sales service, and wasted valuable time.
    Since joining I have also been able to review some products more favorably myself and write honest reviews based upon what I have read and used, rather based upon the sales page product content.
     
  13. CyberDilemma

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    I believe that is one of the things the Blackhat Lounge is for. If someone doesn't want to step outside of the IM world and look at the lighter side of life every so often, then don't visit the lounge. Here is the forum's own description of the lounge:

    BlackHat Lounge What?s been on your mind lately? Maybe you've come across a website that made you laugh. Post it here!