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[WIP] Calculating the number of times a spun article can REALISTICALLY be used..

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  1. kendra

    kendra Power Member

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    Spun content can be great, but I also think it is very mis-understood. TBS gives us a lot of variations in articles with its auto-spin feature - but realistically I have always asked myself how many times those spun articles can be used. Let's take a quick look at a simple single sentence to get an idea of what I mean.

    Code:
    [I][B]Original sentence: "Using spun articles is an easy way to create content for use in SEO."
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    This is a very simple sentence. Now I am going to spin it with SpinChimp using the auto-spin with Best settings.

    Code:
    [I][B]Sentence with Spintax: "Using spun articles {is an|happens to be a|is actually} {easy|simple|effortless} {way to|option to} {create|generate} {content|information|information material} for {the use|the utilization} in {SEO|Search Engine Optimization}."
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    SpinChimp tells me this sentence is 67% unique. This, we are told, is a good number to aim for. Numerically we can end up with a lot of permutations on this sentence. So all is great then?

    Not really...no.

    Realistically we are only going to get two uses of this sentence before anyone with a brain will know it is spun content. Here is an example:

    Spin Output One:
    "Using spun articles is actually simple way to create content for the utilization in SEO."

    Spin Output Two:
    "Using spun articles happens to be a simple way to generate information material for the use in Search Engine Optimization."


    Aside from the fact that it reads like shit, the variation is pretty good. It could be two sentences from two totally different articles. But let's output a few more.

    Spin Output Three:
    "Using spun articles is an easy way to create content for the utilization in SEO."

    Spin Output Four:
    "Using spun articles is actually easy option to create information material for the use in Search Engine Optimization."


    So now the sentences are looking the same already, at best we are only going to get two uses out of this sentence before it is seen as an obvious spin. I wouldn't use it on a money site, nor on tier 1 properties.

    So what about sentence spinning? Here we can use two variations on the same sentence:
    Code:
    [B]{"Using spun articles is an easy way to create content for the use in SEO."|"Written content is not always the easiest thing to create, fortunately in SEO we can use spun content".}[/B]
    That's a manual sentence spin, I will now add auto spintax as I did before:

    Code:
    [B]{"Using spun articles {is an|happens to be a|is actually} {easy|simple|effortless} {way to|option to} {create|generate} {content|information|information material} for {the use|the utilization} in {SEO|Search Engine Optimization}."|"{Written|Penned|Authored} {content|information|information material} {is not|is certainly not} {always|constantly} the {easiest|simplest} thing to {create|generate}, fortunately in {SEO|Search Engine Optimization} {{we|you} can|we are able to|you can} {use|utilize} spun content".}[/B]
    So it is looking a lot more complex now, and keep in mind this is just one sentence. But how good is it really?

    Output One:
    "Using spun articles happens to be a easy option to create information material for the use in SEO."

    Output Two:
    "Using spun articles happens to be a easy option to generate content for the utilization in Search Engine Optimization."

    Output Three:
    "Using spun articles happens to be a effortless way to create information material for the utilization in Search Engine Optimization."

    Output Four:
    "Using spun articles is actually effortless way to create information material for the utilization in Search Engine Optimization."


    Okay, let's be honest here. Does that actually look like four completely different sentences? Nope. Best you are going to get here is 2 uses.

    Power of 5+

    Where do we go from here then? Word level spinning is clearly useless (or is it??) for money sites and tier 1 sites. Manual sentence spinning is better, but not good enough if you only do two sentence re-writes. I have experimented a lot with this, and things only really start to get usable at 5+ sentence rewrites. Here is an example, once again using the above sentence.

    Five manual sentence rewrites:
    Code:
    [B]{"Using spun articles is an easy way to create content for the use in SEO."|"Written content is not always the easiest thing to create, fortunately in SEO we can use spun content".|"I used to write many articles, it took up a great deal of my time, but then I discovered spinning.|Article spinning is a great time saver, it means you can create content without having to write hundreds of individual pages.|Low quality articles are a dime a dozen, high quality ones are much harder to come by, so creating content for SEO is difficult without either having access to spinning software or huge armies of writers.}[/B]
    There five sentences written in just a few minutes. Now I will add auto-spintax again.

    Five manual sentence rewrites plus auto spintax:
    Code:
    [B]{"Using spun articles {is an|happens to be a|is actually} {easy|simple|effortless} {way to|option to} {create|generate} {content|information|information material} for {the use|the utilization} in {SEO|Search Engine Optimization}."|"{Written|Penned|Authored} {content|information|information material} {is not|is certainly not} {always|constantly} the {easiest|simplest} thing to {create|generate}, fortunately in {SEO|Search Engine Optimization} {{we|you} can|we are able to|you can} {use|utilize} spun content".|"I {{used|utilized} to|accustomed|familiar with} write {many|numerous|various} articles, it took up {a great deal of|a lot of} my time, {{but|however} then|however|then again} I discovered spinning.|{Article|Post} spinning is a great time saver, {it means|it signifies} {you can|you can easily|you are able to} {create|generate} {content|information|information material} {{without|with no} having|without} {to write|to create} hundreds of individual pages.|{Low|Minimal} {quality|high quality} articles {{are|tend to be|are really} a|are really a|are a definite} dime a dozen, {high|tall} {quality|high quality} ones {are|tend to be|are really} {much|a lot} {harder|more complicated} to come by, so {creating|making} {content|information|information material} for {SEO|Search Engine Optimization} is difficult {without|without having|with no} either having access to spinning software {or|or perhaps} huge armies of writers.}[/B]

    This is a lot of words just for one sentence. But is it any good?

    Output One:
    "Post spinning is a great time saver, it signifies you can easily generate content without having to create hundreds of individual pages."

    Output Two:
    Article spinning is a great time saver, it signifies you are able to create content without to write hundreds of individual pages.
    Output Three:
    "Written content is certainly not always the simplest thing to create, fortunately in Search Engine Optimization we are able to utilize spun content".

    Output Four:
    "Using spun articles is actually effortless option to generate information for the utilization in SEO."

    Output Five:
    Article spinning is a great time saver, it means you are able to create information with no having to write hundreds of individual pages.

    Output Six:
    Post spinning is a great time saver, it signifies you can easily generate information material without having to create hundreds of individual pages.

    Output Seven:
    Minimal high quality articles are really a dime a dozen, tall high quality ones are really much more complicated to come by, so making information material for Search Engine Optimization is difficult without having either having access to spinning software or huge armies of writers.

    Output Eight:
    "Using spun articles is actually easy option to generate information for the use in Search Engine Optimization."

    Output Nine:
    Minimal quality articles are really a dime a dozen, high quality ones tend to be a lot more complicated to come by, so making information material for SEO is difficult without either having access to spinning software or perhaps huge armies of writers.

    Output Ten:
    Post spinning is a great time saver, it signifies you are able to create information without to create hundreds of individual pages.


    Again the stuff reads like crap, but that isn't the point of this post - I am focusing on how many uses we can get out of an article. So, how many uses here? Count up how many sentences you can read before you start wondering if they are all spun. One and Two are clearly the same, but three and four are very different. Five is the same again, six is unique as is seven, eight is a repeat so is nine and ten.

    So even with word spintax we are only getting five good uses of the sentences here. This rule applies no matter how many spin outputs you do. The number of good variations is determined by the number of sentence-spins, not by the number of word-spins.

    Getting down to numbers

    Five sentence rewrites is the minimum number I would be comfortable using on tier 1 properties. I wouldn't be happy with this on money sites. But how does this play out on the paragraph level? Simply put you multiply the number of uses per sentence by the number of sentences per paragraph.

    Above I showed that with a single sentence spun at word level you would get two uses absolute max. To find out how this works at the paragraph level, you simply multiply the number of sentences per paragraph into the equation - let's say the average paragraph has five sentences. So 2 uses per sentence * 5 sentences per paragraph = 10 uses.

    Yep just 10 uses per paragraph before anyone with half a brain will see the stuff is spun (realistically it is going to be far lower if manually read). And now, here's the thing - the number of uses does not increase with the number of paragraphs. Number of article uses is determined at the paragraph level not at the article level (there is an exception to this, which I will cover later in a follow on post).

    Using the 5 sentence rewrites I mentioned above, we would have this: 5 sentence rewrites * 5 sentences per paragraph = 25 uses.

    15 sentence rewrites (SR) * 5 sentences per paragraph (SP) = 75 uses.

    Before anyone throws a wobbler about me not including word-spins in the equation, it is very easy to throw in a modifier (which is just approximate and does not take probability or permutations into account. But I am only interested in how the stuff appears - not in the total number of permutations. But it does serve to show how people are fooled by the belief that word spinning alone can generate thousands of articles). I work this out by multiplying the number of words in the original sentence, by the number of spin-brackets and then multiplying by the number of sentences. The first sentence has 15 words (W) and 7 spin brackets (SP) (words in spin brackets are not counted individually). So:

    15W * 7SP = 105 * 1 = 105 uses per sentence

    If you are using more than once sentence than you have to take an average. There are 39 word-level spin brackets in the 5 sentence example above. 39 / 5 = 7.8 average of spun words. There are a total of 106 words divided by 5 sentences = 21.4 words on average.

    21.4W * 7.8SP = 166.92 * 5 = 834.6 uses

    Then 834.6 uses per sentence * 5 sentence per paragraph = 4173 uses for the paragraph/article.

    So as you can see mathematically the number of uses is increased dramatically by spinning at the word-level. However when we manually read those 10 sentences above, any idiot can see that at least four (maybe five) of those sentences are the same as each other. If you intend to use these articles on money sites or tier one properties then you must take this into consideration. Because clearly you don't get 4173 effective uses from those 5 sentences.

    To keep things simple we remove word-spinning from the equation when the content is aimed at manual readers (of course the article still needs to be word spun because the stuff acts as camouflage, but we can't use it in the equation for manual reading). It fools anyone reading one or two articles, (will it fool search engines? That is the big question!). But it will not stand up to close inspection.

    That means we get 4173 uses (of our 5 sentence rewrite example with 5 sentence per paragraph) if idiots are reading our articles, or if the search engine bot is particularly stupid.

    It would be much more realistic to calculate word-spinning with an arbitrary number.

    Or

    We get just 25 uses if we want it to stand any chance of surviving a manual review (that's if google actually care, but do they?).


    Bottom Line

    Variations in articles has little to do with the uniqueness percentage - at least not until we go beyond the 100% unique level. 60% unique or even 80% unique may sound good on paper. Many people tend not to realise that every time they use the article the uniqueness drops. As I have shown, an article with 5 sentence rewrites only needs 25 outputs before it will be seen as obvious spun content. Yet supposedly based on world-level spinning, it would survive upwards of 4173 outputs for search engines (how likely is that?)...it's pretty clear it will get nowhere near that level.

    Don't kid yourself and think that google can't detect spinning at this low level of complexity. It is very basic maths, the question is whether or not google care. Or whether they factor it into their search rankings. At this point I'm really not sure either way...

    EDIT: For those that question that only 25 outputs with a 5 sentence rewrite is too low. You need to consider this:

    1) 25 outputs is a realistic figure, even a half-assed bot should be able to realise there is dupe content beyond this. The examples above highlight this fact.
    2) Using this same calculation when using a tool like UberCubez it is possible to end up with 2000 outputs with relatively little work...or even 50k outputs if you are capable of going to crazy levels of work. All this without factoring word spinning into the equation (it's just there for camouflage).
     
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  2. ESM2012

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    Good observations on spun content. When you say , "If Google actually cares? Don't you think they do?
     
  3. kendra

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    I'm really not sure. Clearly spun content is easy to detect (unless it is done on the master spun level like ExpertPeon and others do). How many people just use word spinning on their content? Most people I know do it this way. Yet they rank regardless.

    So I don't know if Google care or not. Maybe it has changed with penguin?
     
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    You need 95+% uniqueness.
     
  5. kendra

    kendra Power Member

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    I am currently getting an average of 350% uniqueness (and these articles are very readable and don't appear spun). Though I'm not entirely happy with that, and will be happier when I hit around 1000%.
     
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    Can you elaborate on how to get above 100% uniqueness?
     
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    Getting above 100% uniqueness means that you have to have a huge amount of content in your spintax that does not appear in the final article.

    So going for the 5 sentence rewrites, there is always 4 sentences per sentence that do not appear in the final article. This increases the uniqueness. But to really push the envelope, you need to use alternating paragraphs - so that you have 5+ paragraphs per paragraph.

    Basically, that means you need to write 25 paragraphs for a 5 paragraph article. Add all the paragraphs into the correct spintax, and you will get an article that is around 300% to 400% unique.

    If you start writing 10+ sentences per sentence, and create 100 paragraphs for a 5 paragraph article, then you will be able to get well above 500% uniqueness. Use enough content and you will be on the way to 1000%+
     
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  9. Expertpeon

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    Permutations of an article assumes google cannot tell unique content if even 1 word is different, and no, it is not the proper way to tell.

    If google uses aggressive n-gram analysis (my guess is, if they do it, the n-gram is no smaller than 7 words) then the uniqueness cannot be calculated in this fashion. I realize google does not use this as of yet, at least not to any real extent, however, they can clearly detect duplication at some level.

    If google uses permutation and such, then certain constructs have truly unlimited lifespans (I have 2-3 million word spintaxes with 60+ sentence replacements that read very well afterall).

    I am of the opinion, after extensive research on this topic, that google ranks sites by metrics that make no difference what the text surrounding a link is.
     
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  10. kendra

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    I'm still unsure if Google even care about spun content. Sure, they clearly don't like low-quality word-spun shit from TBS, but then again who does. But how much do they care about high quality, well spun, well written constructs that read well to a human?

    I have also verified this to some extent against high authority sites.

    Yes, this is what I am trying to get at. The notion that a word spun article can be used 4173 (or whatever other number of) times is total nonsense. A human reader would detect the dupe content in two or three reads. I work on the assumption that the Google bots can work at a similar level to that. But NOT because the bot can 'understand' the content. The n-gram analysis would back this up to a degree.

    With the constructs you write yourself - if you output a dozen articles and gave them to human readers, would those readers know they were all outputs from a single construct?
     
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  11. software248

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    I agree with this as well, but it depends on what kind you are using the spun article for. I usually spin the sentences 3 times and then use TBS favorites to get around an 85% uniqueness, but these are only for around 30 web 2.0 and 20 article directories.

    Great post
     
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    If your going to go through the trouble of making so many sentence variations wouldn't it be a bad idea to do an auto spin on the word level after it's all done? Wouldn't it just make everything read bad?
     
  13. kendra

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    Yes, I do a word spin too. But it has to be a quality word spin so that it remains readable.

    I'm just saying that doing a word-spin wont drastically increase the uniqueness.
     
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    You'd have to compare a few thousand to be able to tell.
    There's usually 60 sentence possibilities per sentence... with an order of sentence chance of 3 different spots.
     
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    so you go back and do the word spinning by hand to keep it readable? with so many sentences this seems like it would take forever...
     
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    There is no such thing as 350%. Think about it. The highest you can go is 100%.
     
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    The key is to change up some of the paragraphs, add pictures and videos an so on.
     
  18. zidit

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    So sentence level or paragraph level spin should be worth in this conclusion.
     
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    Are you telling me Google can READ? I do not believe this.... no sir.
     
  20. SprintSeo

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    Spun articles all indeed very helpful in generating partially unique content for our blogs or for link building process. But I suggest that if you plan to use spun article for link building, use it in 3rd tier.