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Will White Hat Eventually Reign Supreme?

Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by SaltyButterfingers, Nov 17, 2014.

  1. SaltyButterfingers

    SaltyButterfingers Registered Member

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    Alright, so I used to make a decent income back in the day from spammy links and content-locked adult sites.

    Though all of my sites are since barren and expired, I have tried and tried again to 'evolve' with Big G and their ever-changing algos.

    Their menagerie (heh heh) of updates constantly rends the top-ranked sites until they bleed all of their link juice away, and they fall victim to a de-indexation or a really hard penalty, like I have many times.

    I'm struggling to make ends meet, but that's because I'm having a problem acclimating to the new standards set forth by G. I don't know if Yahoo! and Bing are "the ticket" now to rank, but I see all of this success, and I wonder why. It's not like I just rip, copy, and paste methods either... Whenever I get an idea from someone or something, I always twist it and bend it for my personal usage.

    I've tried many times to rank new niche sites, authority sites, adult sites, tubes, image sites, you name it. Nothing's worked.

    Basically, in a world where technology is advancing exponentially, will black-hat methods eventually die? And that means killing gray-hatters too.

    Will established authorities and big-name companies and sites like Wal-Mart, Huffington Post, Amazon, eBay, etc. always hold authority over those who are trying to offer better information?

    Will new algos always give you penalties, even if you were the most WH person on Earth?

    Sorry if it sounds like a dumb question, it's just that newer updates to things always seem to be getting closer and closer to figuring out who's really playing the game and who's just trying to cheat.
     
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  2. Zwielicht

    Zwielicht Moderator in Training Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Whether they will admit it or not, Google relies on black hat SEO to create most of their algorithm updates. Every new update they release is targeted at preventing black hat SEO, but without black hat optimisers, Google would just become complacent, allowing someone enough time to manipulate their algorithm again to gain an unfair advantage.
     
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  3. SaltyButterfingers

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    So, do you think that no matter what Google does and tries to fix, that someone will always find a way to manipulate an algo/update?

    That definitely sounds reasonable, as the same goes for software updates for various programs and people exploiting those on many different kinds of platforms.

    But do you think BHers will always be able to leverage a new update to their advantage and exploit it?
     
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    NO it will not.

    There will always be Blackhat.
     
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    I'd like to think so, Tech! I've just been rather unmotivated by my failed attempts, and that's why I've raised the question. I just need to change it up a bit and keep at it, because I would definitely like to believe that BH SEO will be eternal, lol
     
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    This is like asking if the crime rate will ever be 0%.
    What do you think?
     
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    I think there will always be ways to game Google's algorithm. It's never going to be prefect. It's just a case of adapting to the changes that they make over time. Tactics will come and go, but the essence of giving the algorithm the signals it wants, in order to rank your website high, will remain the same.
     
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    Of course someone is going to find a way to manipulate the algorithm. Google relies on black hats in the same fashion that program developers rely on ethical hackers; to exploit the vulnerabilities in their program so that they can patch it (except Google doesn't pay black hats to do this).

    Unless Google discovers a completely new way to rank websites that doesn't have the human factor involved and they manage to keep their entire algorithm a secret, black hats will always find a way to exploit the new updates.
     
  9. SaltyButterfingers

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    Of course BH may never completely disappear (perhaps staying around in gray-hat methods), but I guess I was moreover asking if WH methods will be the 100% superior way to rank--period.

    EDIT: That was in response to junglist08
     
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    The issue with WH is that there are BH's always a few steps ahead of you before you count the current loopholes.

    In order to be a good black hat, you must be a great white hat.
     
  11. SaltyButterfingers

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    This is what I'm hoping is always the case! Because if a new algo comes out tomorrow that heavily emphasizes Social Signals with no footprints, you can bet that many sites will fall, and those with social presences will rise. But you can also bet that the fallen sites will jump in on Social Media to get a boost back in the SERPs. So, yeah, I definitely see what you're saying.
     
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    But that still begs the question of whether or not you think Big G could ever make it completely cheat-proof. No circumventions, and no need to look for new things to patch, because they've 'perfected' their system of algos and crawling.

    Don't you think that maybe after millions of trials and errors that somewhere in the maybe-distant future, that G will at least come within a thousandth of a percent of perfection, eliminating almost every single BH method?

    After all, they've got some big brains there, and I know they're not easily cheated.
     
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    That's a great point, actually. Now that I think about it, it's always those with a knowledge of how the system works that are most easily able to Reverse-Engineer it.

    Like Zwielicht is saying, it's the BHers that G makes the algo changes based upon, because like you said, they're ahead of the game and that's how G moves forward.

    That's really interesting.
     
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    Salty, think of a Prison, no matter how many walls and guards you have, somebody is still smuggling coke in their anal cavity somehow someway.
     
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    :lmao:

    That's a nice metaphor! Very good one to describe the situation, hahaha.
    And I definitely agree!
     
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    Glad you enjoyed that; best of luck with your white & black hat studies.
     
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    Unless there ceases to be any scalable way to manipulate the search engines, then probably not. Best thing Google could do is no longer have links be ranking factor. And I don't see that, ever.
     
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    Its a game of cat and mouse that will continue for years i imagine. Look at flashing the xbox 360, it was done pretty quickly after its release and they constantly updated/patched it and people found a way around it. This went on for nearly a decade. Iv only been into all this for a year or so and i dont know anything else. I would have loved being into it ten years ago and just spammed the shit out of everything to rank
     
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    That's definitely true, and I don't see that happening either (any time soon). The only other factor I could think of that could become more important than backlinks in the distant future would be social signals, since the internet's evolved into such a social place and a cultural medium for communication and relationships.

    That would certainly be hell, though. There would be billions upon billions of spam-spawned profiles created weekly for the sole purpose of ranking pages. It would be a huge mess.

    And I honestly don't think that Google could possibly be around forever; someone will make something that people gravitate to, and people will work on manipulating that.

    Personally, I remember a time when I used Ask Jeeves (ask . com) for everything. :D
     
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    I know... :( Those were certainly the glory days, and it's sad that they're gone, but at the same time, I suppose it's a blessing in disguise because it weeds out all the spammers (like I was, lol) and all the people who were producing misleading content solely for the purpose of ranking.