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Will our music videos go viral? Advices and feedbacks are well accepted!! :)

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  1. Achilless

    Achilless Newbie

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    Hi everyone!! :)

    This is my first post here, so go easy on me, I'm no computer expert, just a musician trying to promote my music, I'm not searching trouble or money making ^__^

    We are a band, we have been working hard for years to produce original songs, even made it out on MTV for a brief rotation but never got noticed, so we decided to turn toward a different direction and try to build a fanbase starting out with some acoustic covers.

    So far we only made promotion with facebook, twitter and such...all the kind of social networks but we see that this is not enough to give enough visibility, views and rankings.

    That's why we are considering buying views, or anything needed, I'm here to ask your help guys, if some expert would kindly give me some advices, what to do, what to buy, anything that could help us grow and promote our music project !!

    Waiting for your answers, wish you all a nice day and thank you for your attention :)


    P.S. It looks like i cannot post a youtube link yet, it says I need to be a member for a little longer :/ If anyone would be so kind explain this too (how much time i need to post links? Do I need to write more posts?) would be greatly appreciated, thanks again guys.
     
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  2. Aegroeg

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    Never you mind.
    Firstly in order to post links, you need to get a good amount of ( decent, no spam ) posts going for you and give it time. Mines took about a month to update to "Registered" member. I know its a pain not being able to post links when you want to share, but its really best to keep your identity close guarded anyway, so I suggest you remove your details for safety. ^^

    Secondly the best way I feel to get noticed is be outgoing in the You Tube community. Establish a channel with a great logo / background and then proceed to add your best content and start messaging people similar to yourself. Strike up friendships, alliances and you will find yourself getting natural subscribers.

    To get ranked and front paged on Youtube, you need to boost your views within the first 6 days of its life. So if you have a video you really want noticed ( choose the one which has the most potential to go viral, a really catchy beat ) and go to a service like the one Skittles provides and buy over 100,000 views.

    Youtube rankings differ from month to month. Not many people have the secret to getting those great search results down to an art. But it is said that keywords / tags / descriptions are vital. If you choose a trending or very popular tag, it will naturally gain a few of its own views and rank higher in the search bar.

    And CONGRATS on being on MTV! I'm impressed!!
     
  3. Achilless

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    First of all thank you so much for taking the time to read and answer us !

    Secondly, what do you mean by " keep your identity close guarded anyway, so I suggest you remove your details for safety" ?? We don't have any detail about us around here o_O

    Anyway really thank you about the tips on the ranking and the number of views needed in the first 6 days of life of the video, these things will really come in handy! So the right guy to call would be this Skittles? I wonder if we can get in touch with him :)
     
  4. Aegroeg

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    Never you mind.
    The reason I say this is that its never really a good idea to share your channel details or name on a public forum. Members on here can be trusted of course, but there are lurkers with an agenda. Especially people who see you as competition and may try to sabotage your channel by flagging your videos. Its just really a general internet rule really, nothing against this ( smashing! ) forum. ^^

    And your welcome!

    And here is Skittles profile page: http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/members/214157-skittles.html He provides an excellent service with unbeatable prices. Im a happy customer after a wonderful giveaway he gave out last week. Top guy.
     
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  5. Achilless

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    Thank you so much, you have been of great help and also i get now why it's no good idea to share the channel, so please remove your quote of our video in your last post too, thanks :))
     
  6. padlock

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    Achilless,

    You represent my primary client base! I work mostly with artists in general (musicians, authors, actors, comedians, etc). My job is to get their work exposed via YT, Facebook, Twitter - basically all social media. I think I do a pretty good job. ;)

    Firstly, as Aegroeg astutely pointed out - keep your identity to yourself. Especially if you're looking to buy views to boost your videos. Other artists will call bullshit on you quick and happily point out your inflated view count to your fans. It just doesn't do well for your credibility. So, keep that to yourself.

    Boosting your views on YT is a good start to getting attention (as Aegroeg pointed out - before doing so, make sure your channel looks sharp; just look at other artists' you admire and set your channel up like theirs). Once you've botted a respectable amount of views (I wouldn't go for as many as 100K - that looks a little fake for an unknown artist - keep it around 30-50K to start). Again, take a look at other artists that are slightly above your level and try to shoot for their view count. You're not on the level of Katy Perry...so 1 Million views is going to scream fake, of course.

    As an aside - she buys views too. Well, her label does anyway. All major label artists do this and I've handled campaigns for a number of artists, writers and films that you'd immediately recognize. So, what you're wanting to do is not unscrupulous - it's just part of the game.

    You can either pay for this service (and there are numerous ones available in the buy/sell services forum here on BHW) or you can get them for free. This will take more time but you can use services like Vagex (stupid name - we all know), u2bviews and Share YouTube Views. With these services, you collect credit by running a program on your computer that watches others' videos and they, in turn, watch yours. Or, you can purchase credits through these services as well. It's a bit more economical but it will take more time. This isn't necessarily a bad thing. You want your view count to increase organically. A massive surge in views without any real buzz about your band is (once again) going to scream fake. The You Tube music community will quickly call you out on this. So, taking time to build your view count is not a bad thing.

    Beyond that, also add some comments to your videos. 30K views and not one comment is going to look ridiculous. So, utilize u2bviews and create some custom comments to post to your vids. Don't make them all gushing "you guys are so fucking awesome" comments either. Make them realistic. Stuff like "saw these guys live. they were great.", "Meh - I've heard better", etc. You want the majority of your comments to be positive of course - but they shouldn't all be overly enthusiastic.

    Another option to grow your views fast is Reddit. Not sure if you're familiar with the music section over there...but Reddit is where acts like Karmin and Gotye broke. In fact, Karmin did it exactly like I suspect you're thinking of doing it. They were just two college students (a real life couple) that started uploading their goofy covers of hip hop and pop songs. Reddit thought they were charming, they caught the attention of a major record label, got signed and now you can't escape them on the radio. So, if you have a clever cover song or video, post it over there and see how many upvotes you can get. You're sure to get some views. Just be prepared to be flamed if it sucks. ;)

    All of this ties in to building your Facebook and Twitter following and in general building your online buzz. Just be everywhere. Feel free to ask any more questions here. I'm happy to give advice for free. Otherwise, if you'd prefer to just hand this whole thing off to someone who does this for a living (me) - send me a PM and I'll get you a quote together! But, being perfectly honest...I ain't cheap. lol. So, you may be best to get started yourself until you know what you can and can't make happen on your own (and you'll have a better understanding of how these things work - so you don't get ripped off). Then, reach out to someone like me to handle the ends that you just can't seem to make meet.
     
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  7. Achilless

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    Dear padlock,

    I'd like to thank you so much for your ENLIGHTENING post, it was full of good tips, some of which we are already putting in act!

    One thing about reddit, I just subscribed and posted our youtube video link in the MUSIC section...is this enough? Or shuold we leave a sort of message, put something particular in the title? What did Karmin and Gotye did exactly? Sorry but I can't seem to understand this platform :D

    We would also love to PM you and speak more about all of this and ask you some prices for your services, but I'm afraid I need more posts before I can PM you :(
     
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    Sure! No problem.

    Here's an example of the sort of thing that Karmin would post on Reddit. I found their original post on the site (which I can't seem to link here) and it was titled "She's Like A White Nicki Minaj!"



    So, basically, try to make your title intriguing to a "redditor". Just posting your video to Music isn't likely to yield much of a response. The key to success on Reddit is a funny/intriguing/strong title to your post and, well...upvotes! You can purchase these as well. Fiverr is the best place to locate a seller for upvotes (or you can do it yourself if you have multiple accounts and numerous unique IPs). Perhaps someone else can explain how to best deliver these as I generally just buy them as needed.

    In the case of Gotye, he didn't actually do anything except post his video to Reddit. The redditors went batshit crazy over the song/video. A lot of cover versions started popping up. Of course, he had a really cool video for "Someone That I Used To Know" so that certainly helped! :)

    Definitely - once you get a few more posts (you should be able to accomplish it in this thread alone), reach out and we can talk further. Or just feel free to post your questions here.
     
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  9. Achilless

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    Dear padlock,

    Im trying to start something on reddit, but as of now all of my posts get completely ignored ahah, this reddit is hard stuff :p

    Meanwhile on youtube I think we are doing super good, our first video is on 40.000 views atm while the second one surprised us, reaching 90.000 views in 5 days!

    Where shuold we head from here?
     
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    Yep. Reddit is a very tough nut to crack. I've always found that the best way to get a jump on it is to actually pay for upvotes and comments via Fivrr. Then, things just start to come naturally. Also, look for subreddits that might be appropriate for you. Not knowing your genre of music, it would be hard for me to guess. But, if you're a hip hop group, for example, you'd probably get the most love in a hip-hop subreddit (not the large Music subreddit). Just do a Google search for a subreddit finder. They are a couple out there.

    Your views are looking very good! That's excellent. I would just continue to grow the buzz on YouTube. Keep a close eye on your stats and be sure to determine where your views are coming from. I'm assuming that these are all natural views (or did you throw some paid campaigns at them?). If it's all natural, see where most of your traffic is coming from and try to capitalize further on that. If you're seeing that most of your views, for example, are coming from a suggested view from, say, a Modest Mouse video - well, now you know that this is something you can target.

    I generally recommend that artists move from YouTube to Facebook marketing. Facebook will never get you a lot of ROI. You're not going to sell a lot of mp3s via Facebook - but what you will get is a lot of (well) "Face Time" with potential new fans. Think of buying FB advertising as buying a billboard on a very busy street. It just gets your name in people's faces.

    So, if you're seeing that a lot of Modest Mouse fans are checking out your videos, buy a campaign in Facebook (you can find a ton of free vouchers here in the Buy/Sell section that will save you a ton of money on this) - and target people on FB that have listed Modest Mouse as one of their "likes". FB will walk you through this process.

    With this, you'll likely see a lot of new visitors to your site or FB page and, hopefully, some new likes or even some mp3 purchases.

    After that, you might try Google as well (but you're likely to see even less return for that). I don't generally recommend Google for bands (conversely, it works well for authors, though).

    So, those are a few things that I would recommend off the top of my head. It's all about getting your name in front of people. Right now, I wouldn't be too concerned about selling a lot of music - you're just building a following and staking your place in a very crowded market.

    I'll try to write more later (my dog is begging to go outside right now. lol)



     
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  11. Achilless

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    Dear padlock,

    once again thank you for your precious advices and tips.

    I'd really love to have a chat with you, 5 minutes would be enough to sort out a couple of important questions that I'd like to treat in private. We could also speak about your services and what you could do for us and your cost ^^

    Is it possible that you PM me your skype username or smth, so we can have a private chat?

    Thanks in advance :)
     
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    If you're actually looking to make your content go big then I'd suggest sending your videos to other musicians on YouTube and see if they will give you tips. Also cross promotion is fantastic when it comes to music, you can shout out other musicians in same genre, and they the same for you. I also suggest making cameos in other peoples songs. Really what you need is a community of people that like the same kind of shit you make, try out Reddit, they have several sub communities that probably fit the genre of music you make.
     
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  13. Achilless

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    Thank you Adam, very kind of you to share your tips, I'm trying to put them in act :)
     
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    Where do I find fiverr gigs for Reddit? None are showing when I search.
     
  15. Achilless

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    padlock are you still around here? :D
     
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    you just buy views from fiverr for free then send your music to labels, a monkey can make you famous over night if you're good enough
    marketing has almost nothing to do with success. Focus on the music
     
  17. Achilless

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    Well sulrey quality and good music are the fundamental...but without marketing and exposure there is no success, ever.
     
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    buy millions of views. shit will follow.;
     
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    Slap tons of views on it and make sure you put the right amount of comments/likes/favs too.. also it helps if the sources look legit.. dont go using just mobile views!
     
  20. Achilless

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    Thank you guys for all your support :D