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will i ever become number 1?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Bartman, Apr 19, 2011.

  1. Bartman

    Bartman Power Member

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    I have been targeting a very competitive keyword. it contains 2 words.

    for the past year i have been trying and trying.
    here is what the competition looks like:

    1. PR8
    2. PR2
    3. PR8
    4. PR6
    5. PR5
    6. PR4
    7. PR3
    8. PR4
    9. PR3
    10. PR6
    11. PR4
    12. my site

    first, please tell me how the hell the second result has PR2. Checked their backlinks, they have like 10 backlinks. how the hell are they coming up so high?

    second, please tell me if i will ever become number one for this keyword. If it's realistically impossible, then I have another easier keyword that i could target.
     
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  2. Kickflip

    Kickflip BANNED BANNED

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    Probably you will not become #1, because you are already considering failure an option. Have you been rising in the ranks at all? PR doesnt mean much in terms of ranking.

    With spot 12, you should already be seeing some traffic. Does the amount of traffic/sales you are making give you hope that #1 rank will make you rich?
     
  3. jerzydawg

    jerzydawg Supreme Member

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    #2 can have a exact match domain or other factors...it can honestly be anything. You would have to show us the URL to really tell you.

    And honestly, depending on your PR, your chances of getting #1 is slim to none unless you plan on spending 6 months to 1 year focusing on SEO work for your website. #1 and #3 are PR8 which is very tough and you have a bunch of PR 3 thru PR 5 right in the top 10....unless your website is currently PR 5 or above, your chances of getting to #1 is slim to none.
     
  4. Kickflip

    Kickflip BANNED BANNED

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    How do you feel that he needs a PR5 or above domain to reach #1? What is it about Page Rank that you feel determines someones ability to outrank them?

    Page rank is NOT something that should really be considered when studying competition. You can easily out rank a wikipedia or amazon page, IF your page is more perfectly targeted to the actual keyword.

    If these top sites ONLY target your main keyword, and they DO NOT target any other keywords at all, you may have a problem. But most likely they are not niche sites and do target many other keywords, so if your content is better for your main keyword, you can still outrank them. Try to make as many pages of unique content as possible targeting that keyword.
     
  5. Bartman

    Bartman Power Member

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    yes, i have been rising. i used to be on page 3.
    everyone who visits my site came in using another keyword that is longer than my target keyword. so no, at 12, i am getting no traffic from this keyword.
    but the keyword gets 5400 exact searches per month, so I dont understand why i am not getting traffic from this keyword, while longer keywords with much fewer searches (1000) are giving me some traffic.
     
  6. Bartman

    Bartman Power Member

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    its not exact match. in fact, it has nothing to do with the keyword. if the keyword is weight loss, the domain name is spongebob. it has nothing to do with the keyword or niche.
     
  7. Bartman

    Bartman Power Member

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    oh, you mean I should create a bunch of pages that keep mentioning my keyword? and then upload them to my website? that's a good idea. what else?
     
  8. lablinks

    lablinks Senior Member

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    Sorry to say this, but this is total BS. I have PR0 sites less than 6 months old outranking such sites. There are plenty of factors that can drastically change the game & haven't even seen his keyword & competition it's like blowing smoke out of water.
     
  9. Kickflip

    Kickflip BANNED BANNED

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    Yes thats pretty much what I mean. If a website has 1000 pages about Make Money, it is much more likely to outrank a site with just 1 page about Make Money. Especially if ALL of those pages have a few backlinks/social bookmarks etc.
     
  10. AGSniper

    AGSniper Regular Member

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    page rank isn't everything. grab a research tool like powersuite, marketsamurai, or anything and you'll see why.
     
  11. lablinks

    lablinks Senior Member

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    OP, first of all, pay little attention to yah0o site explorer. site expl0rer is very fast to show blog comments & other insignificant links, but it takes a long time for it to show good links. I have sites with 20K contextual links that rank up there for competitive keywords, site expl0rer shows like 300 links for the entire site. On the other hand scrapeb0x comments that have very little effect on ranks start showing up in a few days.

    My advice to you, diversify you links. Add links from new sites, add links with context, improve your onsite se0, and most importantly make your site of a value & let your visitors work for you. Once you get some traffic, you should see people linking to your site, if not than you have something more important to worry about than improving your ranks.
     
  12. Virus1

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    No ...you will never be number 1.... I am just judging from your avatar....
    GLOVE over the head.... just not a good sign that you will be number one...

    lol
     
  13. Risaharada

    Risaharada Junior Member

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    If pr0 get enough backlinks, pr0 can got top rank,

    Many seo company have 30-40people to do manual blog comments and so on, (I know some company have 500+ people) and everyone must finish about 500 d0follow backlinks everyday (Some one can finished about 1500 backlinks), about 20% backlinks have high page rank (not domain rank), 3, 4, 5, 6, and most of links' external link are less than 100.

    Only the same company who has more people can beat them. Forget pr, PR = nothing.
     
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  14. mudbutt

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    PR is a good indicator of the quality and quantity of the backlinks a site profile has. Its not the most important factor, but its still ONE of them. To say PR = nothing is simply ignorant. That being said, I usually don't decide if a term is hard or easy based on PR alone, but I still use it as an indicator (along with a few other indicators) of how much work will need to be done to rank my page.


    *note - when I say PR I mean the PR of the Page that is ranked, not the domain PR.
     
  15. Risaharada

    Risaharada Junior Member

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    I know, but I just want to tell him, don't be afraid of PR domain, PR domain can't stop a determined person, PR 0 new domain can beat them, you need finish this job by mass of powerful backlinks, these has many ways to get backlinks.
     
  16. krissur

    krissur Newbie

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    Everything is possible, I past global test market main page when I was promoting there offer (they made me shut my site down for that, still mad for that but I'm moving on)

    I did it in less then 4 months. the keyword wasn't that competitive but I would have done in in less then 8 months if it was.

    I don't have a secret key or way to success. Make sure you website is built the way it should for searchengines to read it, ad a lot of content en keep on doing it.

    I often start with some low quality backlinks or blogcomments to get the site indexed. then I start building web 2.0 properties. 1000 low quality backlinks are less then 25 hq backlinks from web 2.0 properties. its important to keep on building baclinks. just like your website its an ongoing process.
     
  17. ameerulislam10

    ameerulislam10 Newbie

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    This video was created for the questions like these. Get the answer from Matt Cutt him self..from Youtube. I can't post link here yet but if you are smart enough you can view the youtube video from the last part of the link down here.

    watch?v=STpCM-3K3KY