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[wikipedia] National Power Index : China & India will rule in the 21st century

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  1. sohom

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    This thread have potential to go in wrong direction.
     
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    Agreed but i think India will be at the top after 2030 :)
     
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    That 's very good news for our Indian guys.

    And It is obvious that those countries which are pushing so hard will come on the top in next few decades.

    And I think India & China doing this.
     
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    Its not going to be nations in the top in the coming decades it will be private transnational interests that will be on the top.
     
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    Indonesia, Ethiopia and Japan most powerful countries?

    Someone was drunk when they were creating this list.
     
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    China may tear itself apart. The rising middle classes are becoming more aware of what a slave nation they are. Be interesting either way!
     
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    What does it do for their life if India is #2 or #3? The U.S. being #1 according to the list has done nothing for me at all. The overall strength of a nation does not mean that the quality of life is going to be high.

    Australia isn't even in the top 20 yet, yet they are ranked #1 in terms of quality of life by OECD.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/top-countries-on-oecd-better-life-index-2013-5?op=1
     
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    Many of the lists ranking nations for various aspects are complete bogus, the world bank uses a flower pot business to determine how easy it is to due business in a country as well as the largest city in a nation.
     
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    Considering Saudi Arabia will be out of oil how are they planning on staying in the top ten past 2030 ? Sand exports.

    And Indonesia....Hows that going to happen ?
     
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    I think they just factor in current trends, and not more in depth research like bills being proposed and their outcome(net neutrality in America ending would have major world wide impact). They may not even factor in slowing growth after a while, once something is too large sustain high % becomes much harder.
     
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    most of their money comes from tourism now i think
     
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    no need to think about 2030 or 2060 that is far away
    but whats about current cycle(2020) top 20 or past 2010
    is that really happened?
     
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    2060 is really way too far out to estimate, one simple decision by a nation today can have dramatic impacts in 46 years from now on their economy and standing in the world.


    China may be #1 economy in 2020, they are still growing alot even through its slowing down some due to the large size. Their military is also gaining strength and will soon have the #1 navy and #1 Air force
     
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    And burma lol. How can you know what will happen in 40 years? Nobody can
     
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    So, India will be more powerful than United States? Pakistan will be more powerful than United Kingdom?

    May be, but I know in which countries I would prefer to live.
     
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    Its possible depending on the domestic policies of India and America. India is estimated to increase to 1.7 billion in 2060, while the U.S. is estimated to go up to 420 million in 2060.

    46 years ago South Korea's was one of the worst economies in the world now its one of the best, Alot changes in over 4 decades.
     
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    The definition of "power" itself is absurd, there is no explanation on what variables are used to compute the "powers".

    China is growing strong, yet most of their manufacturing relies from American companies and European companies, this should be a problem too. As Chinese will be a better country, more people will demand higher wages, thus will increase manufacturing costs and probably will make American companies shy away.

    America, even at its current state, is not to be put on sideline too. Our stimulus program is somewhat effective. If you read newspapers in Asia region when US wants to cuts back the stimulus, the Asian regions response are mostly panics and hoping that the money stays in Asia region and not went back again to the US. Still, compared to the Chinese, by computing the growth, US totally have the potential to be outgrown in later years, but US still have the chance to retain its throne.

    India, this is interesting. My opinion is that India will have no chance to be stronger than US economically. Yes, the human capital is cheaper, and India have quite strong scientific knowledge too, but as of now only few companies in India able to reach global scale like US or China did. Not to mention that some companies in US, such as General Electric, still use India as a market. Though GE has transformed itself to create a "unique" product in India, and even researched in India, not in US, the fact remains that India is still a market. Though all in all, India still have the potential to grow in the future, though in my opinion will not beat US or China.

    Indonesia, another interesting option. Indonesia is somewhat exaggerated. Yes, Indonesia have the potential to growth, due to strong growth in spite of global crisis, but reaching #4 is out of the line. Indonesia's manufacturing capabilities are none, not to mention that as of few years ago Indonesia are not capable of exporting any of its oil products. Economy in Indonesia is great, and have strong potential in the future, but nowhere near US, China, or India. Not to mention that Indonesia politics is still unstable, that a lot of economic decision is done not by economic thinking but by political considerations. Take note of the latest fuel price subsidy in Indonesia, where the last president rejects a reduction of fuel subsidy, and instead defer the payment to the next (current) president.

    Japan, this country is in failing state, on a state worse than United States, I may add. While in US the stimulus somewhat works (it have quirks, but it works) in Japan the economic stimulus failed. Not totally failed, but it failed. Not to mention that the stagnation of the growth of people.

    Philippines, have the same problem with Indonesia, lack of knowledge and manufacturing knowledge. But Philippines problem is compounded with a more corrupt government, more lack of natural resources, and higher potential of conflict with China. Philippines is not also sporting a huge number of potential market like Indonesia, and also don't experience a surge of middle class families like Indonesia. I don't see Philippines in this list for another 40-50 years.

    Though I may say that the table correctly note that South Korea is going down. Yes, South Korea have strong economy, strong backup, strong manufacturing, strong technology, and quite strong military. The main problem is their stagnation of growth of people. In fact, it is expected that if current trend persists, in few years South Korea will be on negative growth. No one is working means that there won't be a growth in economy.

    Oh well, back to work.
     
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    USA is and will always be on the top