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Why work for clients and not for yourself?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by FrozenSpade, Jun 18, 2013.

  1. FrozenSpade

    FrozenSpade Power Member

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    I always worked for myself. I have never had a real job before and honestly I am quite happy with my achievements. I see a lot of users on BHW who I respect (mods, vips...) working for other clients.

    My question: Why would you want to work with clients and take only a piece of the pie if you can do the link building for your own sites and have the whole pie for yourself?
     
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  2. Vaolla

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    Cuz not everyone has the patience to see "how it works out". People offer services when they need quick money which they cant get while working for themselves.
     
  3. live1

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    Because sometimes u dont have time or expertise for certain things and ur better off letting some pro do it, instead of doing a halfassed job urself.. (no off )


    And if ur good at something, that thing might only be a piece of the puzzle needed to bank... if ur not proficient at those other pieces, best is to help others make money and share in the profits (pay)
     
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    Because sometimes you do not have the product they have and want it promoted. For instance, Private Jet Rentals.
     
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    It depends on your niche I suppose. Some people love nothing more than interacting with people and selling them stuff. Sometimes there's just more money in it.
     
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    @vaolla: I'm sure these users think long term and don't mind the waiting
    @live1: That's nonsense: These users are already pros, they actually ask money for their link building which they could do for their own sites.
     
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    So, you're working for yourself and money is falling from the sky? Your site don't have "clients"?
     
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    In my opinion it is easier to manage clients than manage projects.

    Lets say you have 10 clients paying you $500/ month. That amounts to $5k/month. It is easier for you as you do not guarantee where they'll stand, you just 'do your thing' and do not look forward to sales/conversions.

    Whereas with projects, you need to experiment alot before you hit a gold mine. If you have 10 projects running, it is very difficult to manage the CTR, conversions, traffic. There are a number of additional things you need to take care of when you are working on your own projects.

    Even though these projects are more beneficial in the long run.
     
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    Website + Adsense OR CPA or any other monetizing method (such as affiliates) = CLIENTS


    Money making = Selling products (whether to clients or other companies).
    Using CPA/Adsense/Affiliates just creates a middleman for you
     
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    Beacuse the most of people know that their services dont work exactly how they say.

    Even here in BST are many BS services who promise you but reality is different. There are only few services which really works.

    Beacuse SEO is unpredictable yes their service may work but after month your ranking can go down with new update . So they dont have to care they just deliver product which is advertised in nice shinny template .

    It is same like all these ebooks and courses where they tell you "the greatest secrets of bussines " but why would someone tell you his secrets? Do he really need more competition? No he need more money from people who believe that someone will really sell them gold mine but true is that the most people sell common coal painted with gold color.


    There are really only few people who will sell you true gold...
     
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  11. FrozenSpade

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    Best answer so far. Thanks
     
  12. Leith

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    I sell services too but that doesn't mean I don't work on projects myself.

    I run lots of campaigns myself to make money and on top of that, I also provide services. I guess I like the whole theme of it. Along the way,
    you get the chance to meet some really spectacular clients and connections which are priceless.
     
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    Because there are a lot of real business models for whom SEO is extremely valuable that you can't replicate with your standard 5 page wordpress MNS?

    Everyone that asks this question (and it comes up regularly) has the impression that the internet is composed of small MNS or MFAs. The internet is much bigger than that, expand your horizons.

    There are real businesses that employ seo that you have no choice to get close to replicate them as they have big advantages in other areas.
     
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    ** I much prefer to work on my own sites in terms of making money than client sites

    ** I don't really like dealing with clients because of all the various issues you have with them

    BUT

    We all have bills to pay and Client Income is one way to generate reliable/steady income - in a different way than relying on Google / Youtube / Facebook etc for your own Sites.

    ... its just the old saying - never put all your eggs in one basket.
     
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    It's just like classical Job Vs Employment debate
     
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    I do both work for myself and clients...

    why do just the one when you can get revenue from both?
     
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    What a silly question? If you are so good at ranking sites why dont you sell your proven services to big dollar clients?

    In a tough niche you can easily get $3000-$4000 per month, get 5-10 clients like that now you are making $30k-$40k per month?

    Oh it works both ways my friend...

    Anyway, there are a lot of reasons why people sell services or do SEO, Clients pay them, it is reliable money no matter what one update does, it gives them the ability to use that money to fund their own projects etc...

    Yes some services are crap and the reason they sell is because that is all they can do , sell service not rank sites. But others do BOTH and they like to sell services than accept the risk of relying on affiliate income or something like that.

    Other people cannot manage a business, so ordering inventory, having a warehouse, hiring staff and managing them is not part of their personality. Not everyone is 100% the same so assuming someone is inferior to you because they do not do what you do is pretty delusional.
     
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    in terms of SEO, etc.

    Offline Clients are willing to pay more for an "expert"
    instead of doing it themselves "Adsense"
     
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