I joined both BHW and Wickedfire within a few days difference. However, my experience was quite different. Whereas I was totally hooked to BHW, wickedfire failed to impress me in a big way. Last night, I got banned from there, b'coz I had a war of words with their moderator. In any case, I do not regret it at all, in fact it was good for me. That forum has nothing worthwhile to offer, even for a newbie like me. This is what I have come up with. All of us Bhatters know that they are just another BHW wanna-be. This is why I believe that will never happen: 1. They do not have a download section. No sharing, no helping each other out. But I think the main reason for that is that they do not have what we have- ?The great Wiz -Gizmo?.(with due respect to other contributors) 2. Their threads sucks. Most of their posts are just stupid, time pass chats. 3. Visit WF any time and see for yourself, the most discussions will be in the 'Shooting the shit? section which is a copy of our Blackhat Lounge. Their other relevant sections have very few takers. 4. BHW allows one to start from the scratch, benefit from the useful posts, excellent downloads, make some money- and then donate to the forum, become a registered member and so on. WF is not like that. You need to pay upfront to get to the sections that matters. It is not good for newbies, those who are starting out in IM and so on. BHW rules. I have learned so much here, and pretty soon I will start contributing regularly. If you are a BHW member, you really don't need to visit any other 'Blackhat' forum, this place is the best that there is.