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Why whitehat sucks so much? (some stories of mine)

Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by talruum, Feb 3, 2011.

  1. talruum

    talruum Junior Member

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    Oh man, just some words I have to tell:

    Why being a whitehat sucks so much?

    Last 2 weeks I have spend my time doing whitehat stuff, like niche blog commenting, article writing, insite content writing, etc.

    The only whitehat things that worked fine was: in site optimization and good content.

    Blog and forum posts/commenting I was flamed several times... and blamed by ignorant people by the way. Stupid guys who call themselves "PRO' guys because they have 82934820308324 forum posts... tsc. Why I have to deal with these kids?

    Tried to write good stuff on wikipedia, (niche keywords that doesnt have any page yet), and I see wikipedia is infested with some kind of "PRO ADMIN's" who call themselves GOD's of wikipedia. They throw away your content without respecting their own rules... try it by yourselves.

    Why I'm hating so much being whitehat? And why I'm hating so much these "professional geek guys"? They like to be called geek's because they known how to write 28934823843 letters per second on their "super ultra mega power lighter 32000 fucking dominator" keyboard they use to gaming and stuff... oh my...

    Sorry, but I'm totally frustated with this kind of work. Better go back to blackhat side... if I can't rank is because I didn't my job the right way or did it too little, and don't need to spend time reading bs from "expert and smart" people.

    Peace.
     
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  2. the_demon

    the_demon Jr. Executive VIP

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    FYI: White hat does work and for guys like me it's actually been proven to work better than black hat (4yrs prof. seo experience).

    The problem lies in your technique. Clearly your strategies suck! No offense but, revisit the drawing board because, if white hat isn't working it's YOU not the color hat.

    PS: I'm not just a guy with a lot of posts... I actually own an Internet Marketing firm & A online advertising brokerage and management firm.
     
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  3. darkfury

    darkfury Regular Member

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    It can suck sometimes I know ...

    But why do "just" Whitehat?

    Same applies to many of the folk on here who want spoon feeding all the time, why do "just" Blackhat?

    You can't come on here and download some tools and expect to pwn the search engines. Just as you can't expect playing it 100% Whitehat to be a comfortable journey.

    Try Greyhat - Use the knowledge of Whitehat you have learned .. excellent and well written on-page optimisation and combine it with a little Blackhat. Get SENuke and Scrapebox and find a good cheap content writer. Again, using your Whitehat skills, utilise the terms used in the on-page optimisation in many of SENukes features and other Blackhat software. Lets face it - You can get a MiniNet with free content set up on here for a very small price - Login details provided also. Buffer sites for Blackhat, weee!

    If you do it right, its an easy ride. Great results at the cost of very little effort. If your Whitehat isn't up to scratch then get your head down and learn more first before you start or your going to waste your own time.

    Edit - If you really do want to stick to Whitehat why not just do Article Marketing and pick up a premium Ezine account? Truth is, with good on-page optimisation, a cheap content writer and a premium Ezine account - You won't need to do much else. Maintaining that system is rediculously easy .... Request Content (Content Writer) > Paste Content (Ezine) > Press "Submit" ...
     
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  4. chasedeez

    chasedeez Newbie

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    I use a lot of blackhat stuff in my linkbuilding
     
  5. talruum

    talruum Junior Member

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    It's exactly what I'm doing...

    Sincerely? I would propose that whitehat linking building won't worth it. I have a tons of authority (legit and kindly made by the owners) backlinks to my company site (7 years old site), and my company is well stablished in my contry... no spam/fat burn/viagra/etc.

    My ecommerce site index by itself because google like it (it's well constructed and coded with best seo practices). I don't need to worry, I'm already ranking page #1 for 90% of my keywords.

    I tried link building to see how best can be jumping from position #7 to #1 for example, and I can say: not worth it. A lot for problems/headaches. Better stand and work hard on my sites/ecommerce and people will refer me on the right time...

    Yeah, maybe my strategy is wrong I know, but the time and cell brains wasted with it, oh my... I prefer stay where I'm and make better use of my spare time.

    My business is niche markets, so every product page is a little niche, 100/200 searchs per month. I don't want to rank for a 40000000 keyword. That's OK.

    Maybe you guys who fight for competitive words have a different story.

    The only whitehat things that make effect and doesnt' cost so much:

    - publish good content;
    - use a well coded SEO friendly CMS;
    - known how to use META description - meta keyword is bs, dont need it;
    - known how to find good keywords;
    - insite linkbuilding;
    - have a twitter/facebook accounts, and advertise your new contents;
    - have a youtube account and publish videos linking to your site/page;
    - have one or two more web2.0 accounts and make a little article about the new content;

    And that's it. Forget the content and let it be. Start work on another one... every time you do this you'll improving yourself.

    I'm not saying blackhat worth it. Blackhat stuff won't worth it too... it wont take long to get de-ranked, and need to flood and flood and flood again...

    The good blackhat stuff that work, and if I known one good, I'll be quiet and use it gently :) you known what I mean?


    And again, all I can say is: stop wasting time trying to rank. Use 95% of your time to produce good and fresh content. Google wont index crap, google wont index scraped content, etc... its a matter of time to google improve their algo. Just play by the rules and in long term you'll be successfull.
     
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  6. talruum

    talruum Junior Member

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    pt_BR writers are needed. If you known one, tell him that he can be rich. Lot of work to him.



    And thank you all for replying me. Your words help me clean some toughts.
    Maybe you can help me in one more thing: if I pay for someone to write good articles to me, where to publish it? (remember, pt_BR content)
     
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  7. Tbo53

    Tbo53 BANNED BANNED

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    Whitehat might be slow and boring but it's practically guaranteed income and compared to blackhat it saves on buying wigs..
     
  8. nikoman

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    White hat SEO is hard. Nobody will come linking to you unless you have good visibility and that visibility can be given by getting some decent rankings for high traffic informative keywords. So to get to that point you need to push your site using forced link building. There is no other way. This what I call "fade to white"
     
  9. 247profits

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    SEO white hat or blackhat takes effort.
    Google will eventually only index content rich pages that have real and valuable content. This trend is starting to happen now.

    Although Blackhat works fast it also has an opponent, Google, that is changing the rules nearly every day with their algorithms.

    Good websites take time and effort, an old saying "short time efforts give short term rewards".
     
  10. phseomaverick

    phseomaverick Newbie

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    You better try grey hat then, apply the application while doing a white hat stuff. As of now, almost all are not sticking on just pure white hat and doing backlinking manually. Its very tedious and time consuming, so why makes life hard when there's an easy way..

    Use softwares to automate things but don't do much, just regulate the usage.

    Use different link strategy and don't stay on wikipedia because something they become one sided and don't even see our efforts.

    Thanks,

    phseo
     
  11. housemusic

    housemusic Regular Member

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    you are probably doing wrong...seems you are spamming...

    anyway, are you frustrated because you spent only 2 weeks and got no results? Success come to people who have desire and don't give up.
     
  12. Greenback

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    I suggest you stop taking random stuff coming from random people so personal.

    Move on to outsourcing your work ASAP, then you will have loads of time to use for stuff that matters and not deal with annoying things.
     
  13. Greenback

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  14. Virus1

    Virus1 Supreme Member

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    Welcome to Black Hat World........................
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    All my sites are white hat...I don't have a choice... they belong to customers.
    It takes work... sometimes a lot of work playing within the rules..
    but the effort is worth it.... I sleep well at night... not wondering if my sites will be de-indexed in the morning...
    and the money is real good...


    white hat is a lot of work.... but black hat is a lot of work too....
     
  15. deddymtp

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    i agree
     
  16. talruum

    talruum Junior Member

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    Yeah... yesterday when I opened this topic I opened a topic on freelancer looking for people who has time to write/post stuff for me.

    I like to do it by myself on the first time to see how it can benefit, and how I'll ask my employees to do the work. You cannot be an architect and build a big building without know how to put a brick upside another brick.

    And no, I'm not doing wrong... the best way to do link building is find "juicy" authority sites where you can post stuff. I got sucess on improving my SERP's with 2 days, with 2 good backlinks on these "juicy sites". You need to find out how. Sincerely, it works. But, almost the time is hard to get backlinks on authority ones...
     
  17. RandomPhantom

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    I work with whitehat and blackhat-sites. I dont think you should generalize so much. There's idiots in all parts of the online-industry, in every niche.

    What I love with whitehat is that you can create something you are proud of and that people use. Something that will be around and make you money way longer than any blackhat-site. And it can also grow into something really really big that will make you thousands of dollars each day with only 5 minutes of work.

    What I like about blackhat is how fast they can generate money and find new converting niches and merchants and how easy they are to build.
    But this is nothing that I can be proud of or that will make any money long term.
    I can create thousands of sites everyday but sooner or later they're going to get banned and I have to start over again. It's a cat and mouse-game.
    Google is getting more and more advanced, it only get harder and harder to be a blackhat. It's good to have some whitehat-sites that generate a steady income.
     
  18. talruum

    talruum Junior Member

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    My sites are whitehat. When I'm speaking about white/black is about the tools/strategy to rank my "whitehat site". It's a legal ecommerce, 7 years old business. I wont get banned for scam people :)
     
  19. talruum

    talruum Junior Member

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    Ok then, sorry to "frustrate" you too. But I'm talking about serious business here, not just some penny's earned on adwords or another clickbank or scam site. I'm talking about ecommerce fighting for top #1 position on my country.

    I have 20k product pages indexed on google. Too much time to do whitehat stuff on each page. I'll be dead before I can manage to blog post/etc everything.

    The resume of my thoughts is: let it be, just work on your site/stuff and let the linkbuilding occur by itself. Another whitehat things, like article, videos, etc, is fine but wont will let you go far enough, but it worth and no headache at all.

    Blog/forum/profile/whatever that need "human iteration" sucks a lot.

    I'm not a computer scientist for nothing. I learned ways to make my computers do the dirty job for me... everything else that need my attention sucks :)

    I hope everyone who shared words here had a insight like I had. Thanks for all you who replied me!

    And let's be successfull!
     
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