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Why white hat seo if you can 301 ???

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by novel92, Dec 24, 2011.

  1. novel92

    novel92 Regular Member

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    While i was dreaming i asked myself a question...

    why do i need white head seo or even bother with slow link building and slow results ???

    why not 301 another site to the site you will rank and than build millions of links within days to the 301d site... so where is the problem ?

    i mean at least around 90% of the link juice will be passed...

    i think there will not be any penalizement...

    why think about this slow traditional stuff that takes a ton of time ???
     
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    yeah why ?
     
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    hmm...
     
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    When you start to ask why you need head.... your doing it all wrong bud
     
  5. beaglejuice

    beaglejuice Power Member

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    You have the right idea. Correct term is cloaking and redirection :)
     
  6. BlueTurtle

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    Just because a site is 301'ing doesn't mean it's going to pass 90% link juice from millions of spammy links that will cause another site to rank.

    You're thinking that you can spam blast a domain then because you're 301 redirecting it won't be penalized. It will. If you can't get the original domain to rank then anything it 301's to won't just magically rank.

    There's absolutely no difference between spam blasting domain1.com and 301'ing to domain2.com than there is from spam blasting domain2.com directly.

    I'm sure someone will come out with some smart reply about if domain1.com is aged then it'll work, but in that case why would you even bother with domain2.com?

    A 301 is for when you have an existing site with good backlinks but you want to use another domain as your main site. Or if you buy an aged domain that has existing backlinks then you can 301 it to your own site.
     
  7. BlueTurtle

    BlueTurtle BANNED BANNED

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    No, the correct term isn't "cloaking and redirection". Cloaking is a completely different concept unrelated to this and nothing to do with redirection.

    Cloaking is where you deliver 1 page to a search engine and another to your users.

    People need to stop post-count inflating with misinformation.

    "redirection" also could mean a huge number of things. That isn't a term like "cloaking" is. It's just a general web language term. Cloaking has a very specific and exact meaning, which as I've said has absolutely nothing to do with 301 redirects.
     
  8. beaglejuice

    beaglejuice Power Member

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    You accuse me of post inflation and misinformation? I think it's the other way around. I'm giving the op a tip on how to do it the right way.

     
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    BlueTurtle BANNED BANNED

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    "You have the right idea." is a tip? lol, ok.

    After saying that random bit of useless info you went on to say 2 more random pieces of information, the first of which, 'cloaking', has *nothing* at all to do with 301 redirects.

    I've already explained what cloaking is and you clearly had no clue what it was. At least you've learned something now and hopefully anyone else reading this will have too.
     
  10. ff1227

    ff1227 Junior Member

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    This post is right.

    I've seen the domain that is being 301 redirected to punished as well. There's usually a delay of a few days but it happens. Also, I've seen some testing that indicates 301 redirecting only passes on about 50% link juice. It would be nice if you could protect yourself this way but it doesn't work that way in practice. Web 2.0s are better for taking your abuse.

    The only benefit to doing it this way is to prevent spam complaints from xrumer. You create a domain 2 that redirects to domain 1 and then you blast domain 2. On domain 2, you put up a page that looks like it came from your web hosting which says "this domain has been removed for spam complaints". Then you 301 redirect that juice to a new page. Thus, the site owners won't actually complain about spam because when they visit the page they think you've already been removed for spamming. That's only for when you're doing aggressive posting as well and make lots of spam threads in the forum, not profiles.

    Having said that, people are way, way, way too worried about the sandbox and penalties. If you're ranking 11 or higher, deindexed is pretty much the same thing. As Ricky Bobby said, "If you're not first, you're last." Deindexing is not usually permanent and you can usually recover with a top ranking from it. Most people here could be infinitely more aggressive than they are currently being.
     
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  11. beaglejuice

    beaglejuice Power Member

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    Well the op has an idea of redirecting traffic using 301 redirects. Obviously, op wants traffic to money site. I implied a correct way of doing it.

    Nevertheless, you have contributed nothing to this thread except accuse me of post inflation and misinformation.

    I know my subject well because that's how I make a living. Why not contribute a meaningful idea instead of being accusatory and provoking?

     
  12. novel92

    novel92 Regular Member

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    thanks for helping... still need a conclusion.. has anyone real experience ???
    most of that are only your opinions i quess..

    btw merry christmas :p
     
  13. BlueTurtle

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    Opinion comes from experience with SEO. All you can do is observe the behavior of your site and attempt to determine which actions correlate directly to the observed changes. :)

    If you want a more concrete answer then here:-

    Forget your idea of 301 redirects and hard spam if you want to rank.

    If you want a more aggressive link building strategy then look towards setting a bunch of web 2.0's in your niche and closely related niche and have them link to you(NOT to each other) then hit them hard with 1) social bookmarking. 2) comment spam. 3) forum profiles(not great, but a bit won't do any harm if you have xrumer)

    For your money site hit with:-

    1) social bookmarking
    2) guest blogging
    3) if your site is actually good just ask for links, it does work if you email the right type of site and your article/site is good.
    4) some manual ********, APPROVE ONLY comments. I repeat, comments that need APPROVAL. The reason? The number of outgoing links from a page is a huge factor in determining how how much overall juice it passes. More outbound links means the page sends out less PR and it's considered spammy. Good comments, manually done to a dozen or so relevant blogs make for decent backlinks. You can outsource this once you've got income coming in.

    Concrete enough for you? :)
     
  14. novel92

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    CONCLUSION:

    to check it out myself i just redirected my penalized site to a new site... and guess what:

    new site ranked top 10 after 2 days for medium competitive keyword and i made a sale...

    so i think i have answered the question myself :)

    but thanks for helping anyway :p

    if a 301d site gets penalized you can simply remove the 301 and it is like nothing happended...
     
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