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Why using blackhat? It has no sense

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by trozma, Dec 1, 2010.

  1. trozma

    trozma Newbie

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    Ok this is just my thinking about this whole blackhat world.

    While reading this forum, I get many ideas and many unanswered questions flow through my mind. One of them is "why would you use blackhat?". I mean, it doesn't make any sense. Everybody is talking about techniques, how to hide your traffic sources so that CPA networks don't ban you and how to get traffic easily to your offers. But all this doesn't make any sense, because of one simple reason:
    1. If you're driving traffic that is not really interested in the offer, the cpa network and the advertiser will not make any profits on a long term and they'll ban you or just make your life harder.

    Now maybe I'm wrong, but this means that you practically can't create some passive income on autopilot by using blackhat techniques. Ok, it can be on autopilot for some time, but sooner or later they're going to ban you or question your traffic sources, and you'll have to start all over again.

    Is it possible to drive quality traffic to an offer by using blackhat techniques?
    My common sense is telling me that it is possible, but most of the techniques fail on a long term. So I think it's hard to fine tune a black hat technique and earn a lot of money on a long term. What do you think?

    You see, I'm selling memberships to dating sites. And it's not enough that my traffic pays for the memberships. Everyone who pays, must visit the site regularly and if he doesn't, they give back the money to the customer who paid for the membership because they don't want to get a charge-back from the customer as this creates unwanted costs.

    What do you guys think of all this?
    How do you work with your cpa managers and affiliate networks? Are you successful in driving quality traffic to their offers using blackhat techniques and earn money on a long term? Do you just disperse your traffic to many networks, earn some little money on each one, and stay under the radar? Please, your thought are welcome on this subject...
     
  2. beezee

    beezee Junior Member

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    Look around the forum some more.

    You'll see that there are more important reasons to hide your referer than not getting banned.

    Black Hat can mean alot of things, and can be used to drive all kinds of traffic. There are all different types of offers out there, not to mention the entire world that exists outside of CPA.

    Definitely look around the forum some more. I think your definition of "Black Hat" needs to be expanded some more, and you need to find something more relevant to your particular situation. If something won't help you, don't bother with it. Move on to the next thing until you find something that does.
     
  3. trafficsource

    trafficsource Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    if you have about $20 000 to invest to offline commercial then go for it. if you don't have that kind of sums then start with blackhat.

    soon I have this $20 000 and only because blackhat tactics and then will try offline/whitehat stuff ;)
     
  4. Largo

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    I think that there is no BlackHat Technic
    Google have their own rules and we have ours
    Big G, want to have very clear nutural organic result
    But this is only a dream of google :bathbaby:
    In normal life those people wins which are more clever
    I think we have the same situation here

    Always when I think about BlackHat , i have an idea of strong natural selection.
    Only the strongest and smartest remain.
    It is fair
     
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  5. trozma

    trozma Newbie

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    Thx guys for your responses.
    How do you explain this: many blackhaters hide their traffic sources and their landing pages from their affiliate managers. Why would they do that? If this traffic is bringing profits to the advertiser, why would a blackhater hide his landing page? I think the AM would not have any issues with the blackhater's "black" landing page if it actually were making profits to the advertiser. One of the reasons could be that the blackhater doesn't want somebody to copy his landing page. Any other reasons? Am I missing something here?

    Yes, I know that the reasons behind hiding your referrer could be many, as for example hiding CL traffic, but if this traffic is making a profit to the advertiser, why wouldn't they accept your CL traffic? I guess the only reason why is because this type of traffic is not making a profit to the advertiser on a long term.
    What I'm trying to tell is not limited only to CL traffic but to other types of traffic that are actually unwanted by the networks.
    The idea that I want to explain can apply to almost anybody who is trying to hide his traffic from their AM.

    Are there are any blackhat techniques that wouldn't piss off your AM and the advertiser? I guess that the technique is not important as long as you're making a profit to the advertiser and to the CPA network. What do you think?
     
  6. tacopalypse

    tacopalypse Executive VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    affiliate networks don't make the rules, they just enforce the ones that the advertiser gives them.

    the advertiser is concerned with their online reputation as well as their profits.

    they don't want traffic from CL and FB and misleading LPs because it'll damage their company image in the long-term, but there's no way that can possibly be linked back to any individual advertisers if they hide their LPs and are still generating profits.

    it's likely most affiliate networks would also be ok with this as long as the affiliate is properly hiding their traffic from the advertiser and the advertiser is still making profits, it's all good. of course they'd never explicitly say that. :rolleyes:
     
  7. supamanjon

    supamanjon Power Member

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    Depends on your definition of blackhat...