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Why use black hat methods if they seemingly "get you banned from Google"

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by mqs1000, May 22, 2013.

  1. mqs1000

    mqs1000 Power Member

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    1) or do they not get you banned?

    2) or do only some methods get you banned and others don't and you just have to be careful?

    I'm gonna go with 2, am I right?
     
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    risk < reward
     
  3. steelballs

    steelballs BANNED BANNED

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    It's all down to making money and many people use black hat techniques to get quick rankings which brings in traffic which converts into $$$$

    After all think of it logically if no money was involved there would be no need for different methods all that make bank...
     
  4. Gogol

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    Welcome to the forum :)
    Any method that is shared over internet has been abused to death already. So, if you don't add your twist you are always going to end up not getting any positive result. Secondly, you need to know what you need, or any method can kill your site. For example, you can do SEO, as well as negative SEO with Xrumer. So learn the basics first and then expect those methods to work..
     
  5. SpiderBlast

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    They don't get you banned. Lets oversimplify this first to get perspective.

    Building 1 link on your own is blackhat. Most "whitehat" marketers... are really blackhat marketers. The SEO they buy, the SEO they do themselves etc etc... google doesn't approve. If you build 1 link on your own, or pay someone to do it, you're technically a blackhat marketer in googles eyes.

    So it really comes down to how much blackhat you do, and HOW you do it.

    The fact is, there's a lot of ways to do blackhat marketing, and substantially lower risk. Almost to the point where it makes "whitehat" marketing just as risky. Like one authority site I own right now. I spun the crap out of a lot of the content on the site. It took me about 30 hours however just to write that 1 spintax. The articles read so well, they are so unique, so well done that they will never trigger any filters.

    I also have private network links directing to that site. Again, the network is done so well, that I never see that site taking on a penalty. Its been maintaining in the top 3 for about 18 months now.

    With blackhat, it really comes down to how obvious you're being. Like I might spam 80,000 scrapebox links to a tier 2 blogspot blog. But if I spam decent links, and I drip feed in small batches, I'm taking measures to reduce risk. If I diversify the hell out of my anchor text, I'm taking another measure to reduce risk.

    This is how you reduce risk. And some people I believe are so good at it, that their sites rarely get penalized.

    On the other hand you have the "churn and burn" marketers, which I think comes down to resources. For instance, if I owned every piece of SEO software out there, and was so good at niche selection / copywriting, that I could make a new profitable site every few months, I'd take the same route. I wouldn't even try to hide what I was doing. I'd just spam new sites every few months, at such a high volume, that I couldn't be stopped. I know some guys who make 5 figures a month doing only this.

    There are other methods that are much harder to coverup. But in the end, you're not risking a penalty just because you're doing blackhat. Its HOW you do it. I have gotten away with so much bs on google, I've had whitehat sites penalized, that its come to the point where I don't focus on whether I'm doing whitehat or blackhat marketing. You gain such an indepth understanding of google, that EVERY DECISION you make (whitehat or blackhat) has its own associated risks. So in the end, no matter what you do, its all about maximum benefit for minimum risk.

    Don't focus on colors. Focus on how you minimize risk. Thats my best advice.

    -SB
     
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  6. RandomPhantom

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    Because when you can make $200-$300 with very little effort (15 minutes/day) it's more than worth it. WH takes a lot more time, at least for me.
     
  7. mangobajito

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    Just ask how many white hat guys were penalized by the latest Google update. You'll find out that no matter how you call it white or black, at the end Google is going to penalize you.

    So instead wasting your time with white hat techniques you can get the same results with black ones in shorter time - the risk remains the same.

    There is another way, btw, its called Branding - its superior to black hat and white hat, although takes lots of time & money. While branding you promote the brand via variety of channels, making its traffic independent of Google. A good example of such a branding would be SoccerWay, 96% of their traffic coming from Google is searching for "soccerway" (dont ask me how I know it).
     
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  9. masterjani

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    Experimentation is key to succeed in any method. All methods to get backlinks are risk in front of google. Blackhat is really helpful to make a quick start rather than waiting for many months without doing anything.

    Failure is also a lesson and it brought new way to earn.
     
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    I think to answer this you need to understand what black hat is. There isn't actually an answer to this though - Most people consider black hat automating link building and white hat manually building links. Both though are designed to manipulate search results and get your site to the top. Google says in their guidelines that any attempt to manipulate their search results is not allowed and is considered black hat so go figure...

    There is no difference between manually creating 10 web 2.0s and setting up Ubot or another automated software to replicate the manual submissions. You are more likely to get banned with automation tools though if you don't know what you are doing because the number of links that you are building is much higher. The important thing is to have a good SEO strategy first and then use automated software to help you implemented more efficiently.
     
  11. saxgod

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    There are many well established authority sites out there who rank #1 on a keyword.
    You'll never get past them if you don't "cheat".
    So we cheat, and we get to #1 for a while.
    It is well known that the #1 spot will get 97% of the traffic for a keyword.
    Then you bank on that traffic.
    Google will "ban" you after a while, and your income drops to 0.

    So you start again and keep doing it :)

    Could also call this "driveby seo"

    If you are talking about other google services like adsense etc, well... yeah... same story, traffic = money, so you cheat to get traffic. Google doesn't like it and will ban you.

    PS: There are hundreds of methods to make money online that do not involve google