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Why there's no success in White Hat Blogging?

Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by livapetr, Mar 12, 2012.

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  1. livapetr

    livapetr Junior Member

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    Hi.

    I've been doing autoblogs with my own twist and had some real success with it - several 1000s of visitors daily. Not very stable but still. I honestly consider autoblogging a black evil, that's why I try to blog in white-hat style every now and then. But here comes paradox - I never rank/get traffic - even god damn 100 daily visitors when I do it in WH style...

    What I do - choose wide topic, say, nerve pain, set .com domain. Get all keywords from Google Keyword Tool (CPC>$1, local search >1000). Then I go out to authority sites like suite101, search for a keyword -> get text -> rewrite it manually -> post to blog (my white blogs usually have at least 50 posts). Probably the article's targeted keywords are being synonimized in the process, but I usually don't care about that because I heard about LSI and also they say that Google is smart...

    Backlinking - I almost don't do it (only rss submit + few bookmarks & article submissions)... But they say you only need good content to rank quite enough to get some visitors. The content is really good ( suite101, huh? ).

    So, seems like I do it kind of right, huh? But never in my whole life did I get any stable 30+ visitors a day to a white-hat blog. That's the paradox - I want to blog white-hat but I can't. I don't like the idea black-hat autoblog garbage but I succeed in it :)

    So, guys, probably you think I'm doing it wrong and call me idiot - go ahead but please provide arguments so that I could learn from you.

    Thanks.
     
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    I believe the solution to your problem is the lack of backlinking. Which then affects your page ranking in the search engine. The best way to generate traffic is just to hit page 1 on the search engine. And depending on your monthly searches, you'll get xx amount of traffic. Good content itself would not rank you in page 1.

    Do more backlinking. More article directory submissions, web 2.0's, link pyramids, forum profile links and so. Will most probably take you an average of 3months to get decent traffic if you do it white hat. Hope this helps you! Goodluck.
     
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    white hat sucks...for most people, there is no reason anyone is ever going to link to your blog...

    there is probably 1% of 1% of blogs that get links and this is where black hat/buying links comes in...
     
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    Black hat your way to the top then go White Hat once you are there.
     
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    That's the problem right there. Don't think about CPC; just write good content.

    Don't write for search engines. Write breaking news, latest tips and tutorials. Don't research keyword click price before writing (although that doesn't harm in any way but saved your time which can be used for writing more content).

    Good luck!
     
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    agree so much
     
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    Well, yes but why do they say that keyword research is the most critical phase?
     
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    White hat only sucks if you aren't good at creating high quality content that people want.
     
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    You need to provide content that is actually worth while and informative. You need to do this continuously, for months and years on end. You are not doing this. End of story. You are rewriting content, you're not offering anything unique or special, you don't stand out from the crowd with your blog, and it's just more regurgitated crap that's been done a million times now. You're putting a half assed effort into something that isn't any better than the autoblogs you churn out. You're only wasting your time by doing it wrong. That is why you're not seeing results, and that is why you still believe your autoblogs serve you better. You're just taking more time to build something of essentially the same quality.

    Ya, white hat blogs are totally made of fail, as is evidenced by the many many huge whitehat blogs that pull in thousands of dollars daily. Whitehat takes a lot of effort, and you have to be in it for the long haul. Then it pays off.
     
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    Wrong again. Write good content. Drop the get rich quick mentality and put yourself in it for the long haul. Writing good content means you sit down and actually plan what you're going to write. You're writing link bait. You are informative, opinionated, and maybe have a style or tone to your writing. there's many ways to create content that people want to link to. I'll repeat the point I made earlier, quit writing sales text, write something that is of value to the reader. if you are writing quality content, and approach other bloggers in your niche, they will often exchange links with you, because people who write good content themselves and care about their niche, genuinely appreciate anyone who contributes good content to their area of work. When someone reads an article they find humorous, entertaining, cute, informative, shocking, or offensive, they will often link to it. they aren't going to link to a 500 word sales letter for weight loss pills. Quit writing bland crap with no regard for your viewers and expecting return visitors or natural backlinks to come out of it...
     
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    Dear OP, been here since 2009 and you have very less post compare to that amount you're online. What I know is autoblog is the last couple years phenomenon before Panda come a long, its really change a lot how the search engine works.

    What used to work today may not apply to tomorrow when things keep changing. My advice is think of it at long term vision and treat it like a business, now focus on one or two sites and built it up with daily back-linking. Hope you see it in different way after several months and go back to this.

    Just my 2 cents
     
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  12. livapetr

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    I'd like to thank everyone for answers.

    I do exactly that.

    Yep, I'm rewriting. Not spinning - I'm taking quality informative text and say it differently. Trust me, it's far better than the autoblogs "I" churn out.

    Let me show you an example, look at this guy blog: kaiserthesage dot com. It ranks quite well and has very good traffic, conversations in commens area and all that stuff. Does it provide link bait? Yes, probably. Does it provide FRESH and UNIQUE ideas? Hell NO!!! I have read all "his" info back in 2008 on hubpages, on johnchow, on shoemoney, somewhere else. He just tells their ideas in different words!

    I can show lotta examples. I even noticed that suite101 and about dot com have spun text!! When I look for texts I read them first in order to get real good chunk of text and sometimes I see little mistakes that can only be done during hand-made synonimizing, but NOT writing. Can you imagine - about_com has spun texts. Does it fail because of that?

    I'd better agree with other guys in this thread, they sound logical.

    But I understand the point - one needs to be linkbaiting pro in order to get links, otherwise - do linkbuilding. Hell, even johnchow needed to game the DIGG system back then in order to become a real influencer.


    Yep, I made little posts cause I've been busy earning. Now, post panda I regret that back in 2008 I went down BH road but again - my WH sites sucked, as I said.
     
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    Exactly. Ppl want content -> they look for it -> google tool shows local search numbers. Right? That's why we research KWs - if I don't look at search volume and write from heart just what I want - nobody will search for that... Even link baiters who say how important it is to provide text from your soul - even they talk about keyword research and about how well they rank for this and that. Hell, why they think about how they rank for some keyword if they write what they want, not what google keyword tool wants? I think they prevaricate a bit. As well as some of you :)
     
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    Only a few people say that. The majority of WH guys I know wrote out of interest, EVERYDAY, and one guy makes $60k a month writing about one broad topic. Now he has hired 4 guys to write and spends on expensive stuffs.

    I personally believe keyword research is important for affiliate sites; for blogs, stick with writing content that everyone wants! Build an authority site. This may take a while of course. :)

    It took me some time to realize these stuffs. Now I am kinda stable, though the only thing you gotta remember is to work everyday for long term profit.
     
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    I will tell you one thing you have to do that no one ever tells you and generally peple don't do. You have to engage your audience. Even if you put out quality information if it is done in a style that does not excite your reader at some emotional level you are essentially a news article, factual but dry and boring.

    Another thing, regardless of what Anyone says, the best written prettiest web site in the world will not be the most successful one. The best marketed one will, even if it is ugly and hard to use.

    You may not have ever heard of Sager Laptops. They are a superb gaming laptop, far better than almost anyone out there. They market to an exclusive audience and they are a rather small company. Their site, is very good, their laptops superb, yet they are unknown when compared to Dell. HP. Sony etc.

    Even though all the manufacturers have an inferior product, their marketing is for more effective than Sager.

    Most people have a problem separating "Marketing their web site" from doing SEO. People believe that more backlinks will build more PR and get more traffic. This is incorrect. Proper marketing, which includes reasonable backlinks along with a myriad of other aspects, make up marketing and will drvie traffic.

    SEO is an aspect of marketing, not the say all end all of it.

    You can drive a LOT more traffic, for instance, from forum posting than backlink building because people will read what you write, and become engaged in your opinion.

    How many of you in this very forum go to a posters profile when you read a post they write. Would you go to their website instead of a profile page if it were available?

    Content by itself is just content. A website s a collection of pages in a folder on a server. There is nothing exciting about that. We have to, as marketers, create the excitement.
     
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    Agreed, look at how many people drink crap beer like coors, budweiser and millers. Is it because they have amazing beer? Hell no, it tastes like watered down crap with fillers but they're kicking the micro breweries ass that has way better beer because they know how to market.

     
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    Exactly. You have to sell some sort of personality in order to bring back return visitors. You have to evoke a response of some sort. You need to genuinely entertain your readership, impress them, even ANGER them. A reader who hates you with a passion will return to your site twice as often as one who loves you! A solid group of vocal haters will engage those who enjoy your work, so don't be afraid to be opinionated either. If you write an opinionated piece, you get the "Likes" and "Shares" from other opinionated people who share your views, unlike a stale piece of writing which could be just as informative. If you try to please everyone, you please no one. Look at all the "internet marketing guru" blogs, they all sell their personality. When they write, they write as themselves, they share opinion, point out little quirks about things, and do so in a fluent conversational manner. Their writing is part informative, part entertainment. It doesn't drone on like it's coming from some automated salesbot-o-matic.

    When I say write something unique, I mean write something unique. I don't care how carefully you rewrite your shit content, it's still going to be boring and uninteresting if you don't "write for the audience". Speak to them as though you're engaging in conversation, not writing a report. Try to evoke a reaction of some sort from them, while offering helpful information. Information is not the only point of "value" in written content for blogs.
     
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    I think there is good money in whitehat blogging, but you need to devote a serious amount of time to it. I run a fairly popular tech blog, maybe get 15 to 25k uniques a average day, it adds up at the end of the month for advertising earnings. Took about 2 years to get here, but averaging about 5,000,000 uniques a year right now.
     
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    Yeah, right, engagnig... What about micro niche sites whos owners are not personality attention whores? Nobody has success with them post panda collapse? Can't be.
     
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    Congrats! Care about tell your story in more details?