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Why Some People Don't Take Action...Ban Hammer Paralysis?

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by j21primetime, Dec 15, 2010.

  1. j21primetime

    j21primetime Junior Member

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    It occurred to me recently why some people including myself don't take action on particular methods that we know could be profitable. I like to call it Ban Hammer Paralysis. This forum is loaded with ideas and points to many places where people are obviously running successful money making campaigns. Shit, I have at least 10 different Ideas and or methods that I've thought of myself with inspiration from this forum that I know could and would be profitable!!! The problem that I, and I think many others have, is how to implement their ideas with the correct technical aspects as to not get banned by their affiliate network, the big G, their hosting provider, or any other part of their money making scheme. I'll give one example of a method and then try and relay my typical thought process with it.

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    I could easily make an ad or drive traffic with a bot on fb or any other social network that makes some sort of fantastical claim about a celeb, a politician, or just some weird news that people would just have to click on and get the info. It's not that hard....Human Nature is Very Predictable!!! I would then obviously make them fill out some sort of CPA to get that info.
    Not Brain Surgery I Know!!!

    Thought Process:

    Many CPA companies don't allow social network traffic...which will get you Banned!!! All my funds and work are Gone!!!
    Ok, so I'll do a Fake Referrer!! but here's the problem....I don't have the technical ability to ensure that this is done properly which will eventually get me Banned!! All my work and funds are Gone!
    Ok, so I'll use one of those services that Fakes Referrer for you !!! but here's the problem, what happens when the fake referrer website gets discovered and/or shutdown??? Banned!! All my work and funds are Gone!!

    This is just one example. I could go on and on about many methods in here and many methods that I have, that if not done precisely, will end up in a big waste of time, money and get your accounts Banned!

    This is why many times I just simply give up before I start and don't take action!!! Interested if anyone else shares these thoughts??
     
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  2. LyNHS

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    I can see what you mean - I personally don't suffer from such, but it seems like a reasonable explanation for many people.

    I think the only thing you can do is plan strategically and methodically, counter-acting against the fear. So if you are banned, make sure you have others in the pipeline. Sure, nothing can beat Google, but who's to say for example Clickbank or CommissionJunction wouldn't be sufficient.Things happen for a reason, and you have to look at everything from a positive view - so if you get banned, perhaps it's a new door for you to walk through. I think the majority of reasons why people don't take action is because the method they thought of requires too much work, and the fact that these sorts of forums glamorise the subject of Blackhat, people start to think there's an easier solution to earning a lot of money hence why they keep searching for the golden method, yet they'll never find it. Some others suffer from procrastination - I used to spend quite a lot of time thinking about what I was going to do with the potential money I was going to earn before I even lifted a finger... this resulted in a lot of procrastination because I was in my comfort zone. The sooner you're out of your comfort zone and start having a great deal of responsibility, the sooner you realise Internet Marketing is a wealthy challenge - you start to look past all of the threads that have the glamorous titles "Earn X in X" because you've realised that there is no such thing as easy money.

    At the end of the day:

    NO RISK NO GAIN.

    That's just my opinion.
     
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  3. Sanitarium

    Sanitarium Regular Member

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    I actually got a woody when adsense banned me.
     
  4. Grizzy

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    First off there are plenty of incentive networks that allow exactly the type of method (social media traffic and all) that you have described.

    Faking the referrer is honestly not a very complex technical process at all man. Yes you will have to learn something new, but that's what this shiz is all about. Everything you need to know about faking the referrer can be found right here on this very forum. Search for CPA Redirector 2, if you can setup a website you can setup cpa redirector.

    Your fear of the banhammer is due to your fear of the unknown. Try learning more better :biggthump


    LOL banhammer fetish. You sick puppy!
     
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  5. slygangstar

    slygangstar Newbie

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    People don't act because they don't want to invest time / money to make money. Getting banned from The fear of getting banned from Adsense doesn't keep EVERYONE up at night. :p
     
  6. j21primetime

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  7. Grizzy

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    Well don't try to screw around with networks like cj and adsense, those guys are generally pretty strict when it comes to the promotional methods you are allowed to use. They are so big, and have so many affiliates, they won't think twice about hammering you. If you do a bit of research, I'm sure you can find some smaller and more lenient networks that want the traffic that cj refuses to accept. They specialiaze in converting incentive based social media traffic and can be easier to get accepted to as well. Check out this thread: Leadbolt Instant Application Approval.

    Yep, tools like cakeslice can leak sometimes. Now see if you knew a little bit about iframes and http headers before you used a tool that manipulates such things, you would have realized that when you are playing with fire, one little mistake could cost you dearly. Before you used cs on your live affiliate links you should have tested it out on a site like whatismyreferrer.com. You would have seen how if you had used this on your actual aff link you would have been exposed.. In today's digital age there's nothing more empowering then being able to understand how the technology we use works, why it is bennificial, and what its limitations are. I don't reccomend iframing, there are bettery ways to make a buck imho.

    Well I'm not going to tell you what to do, but there is really no reason you should need to resort to methods that will get your adsense account banned over and over again. There are MANY fantastic methods on this forum can be used in conjunction with an adsense account and pose very little risk to you. Plenty of ways to make money and keep your network happy at the same time. If you want to continue down this road of trying to rip them off, then of course the banhammer will always be around the next corner.
     
  8. Ramsweb

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    I feel the same way when it comes to some of the stuff the OP has written about. When I signed up for a Jr.Vip membership, I saw so many posts about exploiting facebook with some serious black hat techniques. It was tempting but I didn't take action on any of it. I would much rather take things slowly and try to build on some long term income instead.

    This forum however has a lot of people who have the guts to take big risks and make things happen right away. It is called black hat world for a reason. :D
     
  9. blackma

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    Would it not be better to make a little website pre-selling the people you get from facebook.

    When you find a vertical (or more than one) that converts well, why not build a small website based around whatever's being promoting.

    I couldn't see this ruining your conversions or anything and it would get rid of all your worry about your aff network banning you!
     
  10. inen123

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    Ban Hammer Paralysis - a little bit this thing in my mind too. But i dont think its the biggest problem. :)
     
  11. mojstermiha

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    Hey! Can anybody tell me if CPA network can see from what Facebook Fan page does my traffic come? Or they just see what I see for my websites in google Analytics... that's nada, only FB domain:) Thanks!
     
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    Other than epic mailing, what reason is there to be afraid of your hosting provider?
     
  13. CottonMouth

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    Sure the banhammer is a constant fear, but research before you step in the "puddle" and you're more likely to step back out clean - and paid.

    The biggest obstacle people have to overcome isn't banhammer fear, it's laziness.