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Why SEO as we know it can't fight the big boys...

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by ThopHayt, Nov 10, 2012.

  1. ThopHayt

    ThopHayt Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    What Google has done, by forcing higher and higher quality is essentially upping the anty... increasing the money/time/work required to rank. This won't stop me from ranking easy to moderate keywords... but I feel that Google doesn't CARE about that. What they wanted to do was prevent us BH'ers from playing with the BIG boys. The Amazon's and the New Egg's of the world.

    My almost forcing manual-quality content on T1/2 Google has set a high price on the head of keywords that will ultimately require hundreds or even THOUSANDS of such HQ links to dent. I'd assume that 99.999% of IM'ers can't afford that. Which has been the plan all along. They don't want to "kill SEO" as much as they want to keep it out of the center ring.

    I have slowly come to this realization as I've noticed the Amazons of the world thrive while more and more of my BH brothers complain. We either need to find a new METHOD for creating far higher quality content on a much larger scale that is human-readable, or we need to invent a new strategy that doesn't require ranking in top level keywords. I know collecting the crumb long tails has been popular, but even this should become harder as more mice are forced to compete for it.

    We need some innovations...
     
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  2. Expertpeon

    Expertpeon Elite Member

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    Actually I find that it's easier to rank than ever, because Penguin has decimated sites big and small so much that the total aggregate link juice they retain is minimal, no matter their rank.
     
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  3. SlappinDaBees

    SlappinDaBees Regular Member

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    Agreed.. I was amazed by the competition on some 500 monthly searched keywords with medium cpc! But there are still plenty of super easy long tails left. And I believe with the further development of internet and the ever expanding usage of Google, long tails might not always stay long tails. A 500 searches keyword could become a 1000 searches keyword in a couple of years which makes it worth the effort
     
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    assphuck Senior Member

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    Amazon and other 800lb gorillas thrive because they are part of an elite group: http://internetassociation.org/

    I don't think for a minute any of Google's actions are about quality. It's about money. For example, Google Shopping is so thin now for many products that the merchants listed in it are charging much higher prices then other merchants. If the end user experience is causing them to pay twice what they should for a product, then Google nailed this one down pretty good. Can't rank in even the top 100 in Google? Maybe its because the SERPS are thin too. For example, do a search for "get coupon codes" without the quotes. Pages 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8 all belong to the one domain that also ranks #1.

    Google is now returning pure shit in some niches because their algorithm is FUBAR. As FUBARed as it is, they structured it in such a way that they bank while others go bankrupt.
     
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  5. ja1myn

    ja1myn Senior Member

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    What's good about all these updates is that they mainly just affect high volume keywords. All of my niche sites are doing well and some of them I'm just spamming the hell out of.
     
  6. ThopHayt

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    Actually that's only true if you're looking at easy/medium keywords. As others pointed out, the "gorillas" are tougher than ever to play with. All the updates did was thin out the idiots... most of which were in those easier terms.

    Wow... didn't know that even existed. Pretty much says a lot.
     
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    Amen to that brother.

    Holy shit man! Plus half of page 2 and all of page 3. Unfuckingbelievable.
     
  8. Expertpeon

    Expertpeon Elite Member

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    Actually no. I'm in major, major ultra competitive terms and this is still the case.
    Hell, Penguin 10/7 actually hit Amazon in 3 of my niches and Wal-mart in another (dropping to pages 5-15 respectively).

    I am seeing the problem of repeats of the exact same domains though. This seems to be a problem with Penguin itself where if it does not strike a domain, its inner pages are artificially inflated through further updates.
     
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  9. ThopHayt

    ThopHayt Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    How can an update "inflate" anything if they are designed to levy penalties?
     
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    I've even seen it in some of the more moderate competition keywords. Where it used to be 7/10 of the first page were the little guys and now that's been flipped around. Part of that is that I'm looking at google.ca and Canada is years behind, but still.
     
  11. ThopHayt

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    Here's the million dollar question then: is there a solution for this problem?

    A. Is there a solution for creating human readable content that's unique on a massive scale

    and,

    B. If not is there another strategy that IMers can use to try to find eyeballs.
     
  12. Expertpeon

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    Well, sorry for being less than specific.
    The negative link juice not being dished out to the site pushes up its inner pages even further, as its dished out to others.


    Sure you can create a spintax that is extremely unique/readable capable of producing ~10k-50k copyscape passed articles in about 10 hours of work. I don't really see the point though using this for content on the site itself
     
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  13. seochris96

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    I don't think some people quite grasp this concept. The internet will never run out of long tail keyword searches to optimize. Do you know how many new products, ideas, thoughts, etc, come into this world everyday? Shit, you could make long tail keyword searches off of long tail keyword searches. It's as endless as human creativity. You simply have to put forth the energy and creativity and not do what everyone else is doing.
     
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  14. Seankearns

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    Some here don't want to chase long tails though. I'd rather rank for 'car insurance quotes'than 20 long tails about 'red touch up paint for Toyota corrola'

    ..... Not that I have a chance of ranking for that.
     
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    I'm starting to get a freaking complex. Google keeps throwing me out of the serps for the good words. I get on page 2 for jewelry store, they throw me out of the serps. I get in for engagement ring, they throw me out. I get in for jewelry, they throw me out. Gold jewelry-thrown out. Silver jewelry-thrown out. People who buy jewelry do the stupidest searches. Very vague and general. Probably because they want to browse and see what catches their eye. I go in and out for every good keyword and it is making me dizzy. It's like they're doing a manual review and saying "Nope. Girlfriend doesn't give us millions of dollars in adwords. She can't play with us."
     
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    Long tails are no good in jewelry. I'm number 1 for many long tails and it's really nothing special. I am in for three words. I am in for some two words. I want the two words and the one word, because that's what the majority of people search for in jewelry.
     
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    I'm going to resort to prayer. HEY, it couldn't hurt.
     
  18. Easy2webs

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    I have just started my IM business, in Dallas. As known, Dallas is a very large city and is saturated with tons and tons of IM firms. I'm just going to keep doing what I am doing, a bunch of seo work, and hope to eventually rank on the first page. Most first page ranked website have slowed down on their SEO, yet they still hold the top spots. For us smaller guys trying to make our way to the top, we are pretty much doing everything we can as we are hungry for that 1st page rank. I say just keep working hard and you will eventually see results of those who do not work as hard as you do.
     
  19. moonlighsunligh

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    Well, better work smart than hard. These guys don't have what we have. Nobody has what we have.

    $250K per site budget Snuggie Dog from Seomoz.
     
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  20. NoobGuru

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    No the answer is simple,become a big boy yourself through higher quailty of information displayed in a niche that has a lot of potential for improvement.

    It's up to you to become more innovative, only the strong will survive and I don't see SEO going anywhere as its been going strong for too many years,it will of course continue to evolve and demand new methods and strategies to accomplish ranking task but this is why i love this industry not many are sane enough to want to be in a industry that changes so much and sometimes randomly with all the google panda updates recently these years.

    -ps-sorry for double post please merge into single post.
     
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