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Why Neg. SEO is Pointless - Most of the Time.

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by CanadianDollar, Mar 28, 2014.

  1. CanadianDollar

    CanadianDollar Registered Member

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    Recently, I've seen numerous threads popping up asking about neg. (negative for those who can't determine that) SEO, how to do it.. where you can buy services for it blah blah.. All the usual "newbie" (that term is within my own profile.. pfftt..) chatter/questions that you'll get on any money making based forum.

    A lot of the threads will also say stuff like:
    Well of course I'm going to say that... Because Neg. SEO is both a waste of resources and a waste of time - Unless you're planning on hitting a BIG competitor with a couple million links and either investing a few hours and server resources or spend a few hundred dollars to build that kind of linkage.. Then quite simply: Don't.

    Why? Because it takes Time, Money AND Effort.

    Time you say... How can it take time if I spam a site with 100k links? Well... The standard G Algo can be manipulated by spam pretty easily, all you have to worry about is Penguin - Which so far, has run between every 2 and 5 months (or so..) and when you're running affiliate sites (because let's face it... Most of you are) OR running some kind of black hat site that's been copied or "stolen" grr.. those damn people have no ethics! *cough* It becomes pointless.. Instead of spending the money/time on destroying someone elses black hat site, why not build 5 more sites that'll take the top 5 positions, away from said someone else.

    Again: Only do Neg. SEO if you're looking to take out a big, actual competitor over a longer period of time.. Otherwise you may as well just spend the money and time you were going to spend on doing that negative SEO attack on actually doing SEO, rather than the negative kind.

    .RantOver. Peace.
     
  2. royserpa

    royserpa Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    What a timing! :p

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  3. Asif WILSON Khan

    Asif WILSON Khan Executive VIP Premium Member

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    I do agree with you but when you say recently I find it strange as you only signed up today.
    You seem familiar somehow.
     
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    Well it seems like otherwise what happened seemed to be that one percent of what we had back when it used to be such that the thing happening really didn't have to be at all like that other one such fact?

    Rantover, peace man, never give up!
     
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  5. CanadianDollar

    CanadianDollar Registered Member

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    You confused me, have a Thanks.
     
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    All you're really doing is redefining what NSEO is. Which is indirectly teaching people how to do it more effectively.

    I think we can all agree - NSEO is not ordering 1 spammy fiver gig for your competitor. Its a long, drawn out process same as regular SEO. And I've had a NSEO campaign running for 8 weeks now. It takes a lot resources but I'm not doing it for reasons of greed. I'm doing it for ethical reasons (to take down a scammers website).

    The point is, I don't see this thread serving any real purpose, other than reminding people who ARE doing NSEO... to take their campaigns more seriously.
     
  7. CanadianDollar

    CanadianDollar Registered Member

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    Good point I guess.. Though this thread serves more as a pre-warning to the clusterf*ck of people posting about Neg. SEO to not post about it :D
     
  8. AnthonyCorleone

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    we need one service that's just specialize on cleaning negative seo
    and no one offering such in selling section and all those who affected is returning costumers whole new market opens up
     
  9. CanadianDollar

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    Would probably be a good idea, though it's hard to price it without doing custom quotes :)
     
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    I am totally agree with your points. thanks for the shared this great knowledge with us..
     
  11. assphuck

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    Maybe negative SEO is the wrong term. When you look at Google patents, you will see that one of the factors they are looking at are how many links a group of sites has in an industry. Specifically, Google states:

    Google said it right there in their patent: here

    What I read from this is that if you have too many links to your site, then your site gets hit. Blasting the other sites that are being used in Google's equation to determine what is "normal" may not be negative SEO but an effort to taint the equation to release ones website from a penalty. If this was the intended purpose, is it really negative SEO?

    We don't make the rules, but this is the absurd garbage Google is using to rank sites. And it's pretty clear what some people can do to recover their Penguin (the patent was reported to be for Panda though) hit sites.
     
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  12. SkyrocketSEO

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    Really? Are you robot or human?
     
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    At the end of december, I tried to neg SEO one of my own domains just playing around using GSA SER. I checked every box there was to check in the options and loaded a gibberish auto spun article that i scraped off of a forum post about hallucinating on mushrooms (nothing to do with my website at all). Pure spam.

    I built about 800 links per day for 2 weeks (just duplicating the original project) and submitted them into instant link indexer when each project would slow down.

    Nothing happened. The website just started ranking slightly better for all search terms (much better for low competition stuff). Eventually a lot of that garbage got deleted from the websites, but theres still about 900 or so live links (checked in scrapebox the other day).

    This technique did not work for me at all, so I agree its not worth time or effort. If you cant beat your competition the right way, just move on, or try harder.
     
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    Really is a waste of time, trying to slow someone else down instead of running ahead yourself.
     
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    In my opinion Neg SEO tends to be niche dependent. Certain niches (ie the ones that tend to draw more affiliate marketers) are a lot more rampant with negative SEO than others.

    When I stumble across one of these niches, I just move on to the next niche as it's not worth building sites and competing in a market where others are constantly trying to tear each other down. Plenty of other profitable niches to choose from that are absent of the negative SEO problem.
     
  16. CanadianDollar

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    Neg. SEO - It just ain't worth that Canadian Dollar ;)
     
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    I don't understand why anyone would want to do neg seo, why take down someone through attacks. Its like burning a successful brick and mortar down to make customers visit your store.