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Why Is No One Here Concerned With Project Management of Their IM Projects?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Cnotey, Dec 10, 2011.

  1. Cnotey

    Cnotey Power Member

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    So I've been on BHW for a few years now, and up to this date I have yet to see any threads relating to project management for IM except for my own.

    Without going into my life story, in my day job I am a project management consultant. I manage budgets of $100,000,000 a year. I'm very good at what I do, and it has been invaluable when I made the switch to IM.

    Project management is the most important part of a project. Without project management, there can be no project. I think this is 99% of the reason most of the people here aren't successful. You lack structure, planning, and management for all of your projects.

    If you spent more time planning and managing your projects, instead of worrying about the next new method, you would be a lot more successful.

    So I want to hear it from you guys: Why don't you spend more time worrying about managing your Internet Marketing projects, and planning them out and structuring them?

    Edit: I'm not saying this applies to everyone!

    And due to requests, I will try and put together a little write up on how to plan your IM projects. Might take a bit though. Maybe we could use this thread as a wiki style, I'm sure there are other project managers on this board somwhere.
     
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  2. csfuk

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    I guess its not that easy as you say it.

    Instead, if you are so good at it let us know the basics.

    Regards
     
  3. Cnotey

    Cnotey Power Member

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    I never said it was easy. My question is more of why is there not even any interest in it?

    Do people not know that you have to manage projects? Do they not know what project management is? Do they think it's too hard? Are they too ADD?

    I have learned what I have in 15+ years of experience and billions of dollars. I would not expect everyone to have this level of knowledge. But I would expect people to want to at least try to learn.
     
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    Hey, the timing for this is very good....I was thinking about how I'm going to manage a few projects that I have coming up and was kind off wondering the same thing.

    What would you suggest as a starting point to learning PM?
     
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    Well, those of us who make money, generally don't have a problem managing our projects.
    I think there are people concerned about it, they just don't necessarily call it "Project Management".
    People are on here all the time, creating journals, posting motivational videos to keep themselves motivated.

    I agree with you though, project management is absolutely key, and as someone who manages SEO campaigns, I understand that.
    Most of the noobs on here are looking for a quick solution which will require little to no effort.
    They don't even get to the point of project management, because they never start the project.
     
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  6. ostermeier

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    Most people here are working on projects that they can keep in their head.

    Those who have projects that need management tend to slap together a system that gets better with experience and more closely fits with their work style. You will occasionally see people here mention their system, normally text files in a directory structure or something like OneNote.

    As for discussing it? It may help some, but as I said, their systems tend to be too closely related to their work styles to translate well to another person.
     
  7. Cnotey

    Cnotey Power Member

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    Exactly my point! "Those of us who make money, generally don't have a problem managing our projects"

    That is why your are successful. Because your are spending the time to plan and prepare your projects. You might not be doing it the traditional time tested and proven way, but at least you are doing it!

    My point is, that I believe lack of planning is the culprit behind lack of action. People don't know where to start.

    If they did project management correctly, they would know where to start!
     
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    Cnotey Power Member

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    True project management is project management. It doesn't matter what system you have or what industry you're in. It always always translates from one type of project to another.
     
  9. ostermeier

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    If one understands it, yes absolutely. But if one doesn't, you get a thousand different examples of "The right way to do it." and the beginner enters a lock cycle of how to manage their projects the same as people enter a lock cycle of the best method or technique to use.

    For the record, I feel that one ultimately needs solid project management and a business plan, but not at the beginning if they get in the way of just starting to just do something beyond research and planning.
     
  10. Fathom

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    Lol, If you're going to lie at least make it sound realistic. People that are incharge of money like that would surely have to sign a confidentiality agreement for privacy as well as insurance purposes.
    I guess it's ok to post that kind of information on a black hat forum that is full of teenagers though.
     
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    Successful IM have project management very much under control.
    From my observation on this forum most people are more method oriented, which doesn't necessarily mean project management is not a concern, it's
    just not as juicy to discuss in most cases.

    You do introduce a good point.
     
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    I agree with Fathom, and if people need Project management they will ask for it but if they are sucesiful with out the services of someone else then whats the big deal!!!
     
  13. Cnotey

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    No need for confidentiality agreements for public works projects. Everything I do is open book. In fact my last project was management of the new South Medford High School. Google it. It had a valuation of over $82,000,000. And this was just one of my many projects that year.

    And for further proof, not that I need to as $100 Million is actually miniscule compared to what some companies do. Here is the pre-planning proposal I put together

    http://medfordschoolbond.org/PDF/The%20New%20SMHS.pdf
     
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  14. Fathom

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    Are you sure you're not another kid upstairs in his bedroom? Sniff sniff, where exactly is the proof?

    Any way I'm not going to argue with you over this. Just realise that's to many people lie here to make themselves look big and people like me see straight through the BS.

    Have a good night.
     
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    Project management is just a fancy word for thinking and doing.
     
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    Your last job was 3 years ago? That .pdf says 2008
     
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    This is a valid thing we should look at. I have a service here and we have a project manager without whom we would not get shit done.

    It may not be 100% necessary for some people depending on the business model, maybe they only have a few projects and it is easy to keep up with.

    For me, this is a timely post. I have recently posted in the lounge asking what platform people use to keep their business organized. I have since signed up with basecamp and in the last 3 days with basecamp loaded up, I have accomplished more than I have in the last 3 weeks. Simply by having it all organized with due dates and goals / milestones.

    I think everyone here should at least stop and think for a second....

    what if everything you wanted to do was clearly laid out and there was a due date, and easy to understand goal, as well as a way to communicate with everyone on your team all at once? Do you think you would make strides forward?

    I think getting a little more organized and taking a more "traditional" approach to managing this IM shit will help everyone make more money

    This is just my feeling, I have really benefited from this line of thinking in the last week..

    great post man, got me inspired to log in to basecamp and make some more milestones like "get new site to #1 by january 10th" which by the way has GOT TO HAPPEN, ITS ON THE LIST! :)
     
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    A lot of stuff I do is BH.... secret stuff.... unethical... Easy to copy...but makes good money.

    i do not trust anyone knowing what I am doing....much less managing my stuff.

    I barely outsource what I think will not affect my campaigns.

    But that is just me.
     
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    in all of my im stuff i really needd to organize it is all becoming a blur
     
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    i need o flowchart everything to organize it