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Why is ivory destroyed when confiscated?

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  1. Capo Dei Capi

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    Every so often there are big confiscation of ivory either in America or in Africa, with sometimes tons of it destroyed at a time like today in NYC. I really don't get how it benefits hurting the trade, it raises the value of ivory up since their is less supply. The demand for ivory still remains strong even when they destroy it.

    It makes more sense to sell the ivory and use the proceeds to fund anti-poaching efforts in Africa so there is less poaching going. There is so much ivory being destroyed around the world, it has to add up to a very decent sum that could go to hiring more park rangers and equipping them better.


    http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/20/us/times-square-ivory-crush/index.html
     
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    So the people who "confiscate" it can keep it super rare and then sell it on the black market themselves. They don't really destroy it...
     
  3. Capo Dei Capi

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    There was a video of them putting the ivory in a shedder, they also burn the ivory tusks in Africa.

     
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    They can sell the ivory and use the money for guards to keep the animals safe or something like that.
     
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  5. Capo Dei Capi

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    Thats what I'm thinking about for years, even before the big push on getting rid of ivory a few years.
     
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    I don't see governments destroying blood diamonds, etc. Its just more practical to use sell the ivory legally and use the money to fund project that will keep safe the animals or fight off the people that are hunting for ivory.

    Its kinda ironic to destroy the ivory when the most of the African counties don't have enough funding to fight off the people that are killing the animals for ivory.
     
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    Ivory products are so expensive, I saw some preban ones go for a few hundred dollars a piece. With a marketing to help save elephant campaign, they could have gotten as much as $10 million from what they destroyed.
     
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    It's actually like this, they burn to discourage the envy.

    Take for example you have something made of ivory and I see you have it, I'm richer than you, I buy 2 or more items made of ivory and someone richer than me goes for more items than me and so on.

    If they don't burn, then what you're thinking can be done will turn illegal.

    Say you're the person responsible for taking care of a park filled with animals, if you don't burn the poached stuffs, you'll get greedy and you'll start to kill animals and do whatever to make money in an illegal way, law makers can easily become law breakers and not get caught, so authorities think it's better to burn such things, rather than keeping or selling them.

    Don't you pay in black market or want to get illegally by paying more money, if something is supplied in limited edition and is sold out?

    I'm not supporting them burn such things, but there is some logic in that.
     
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    They could easily do that right now, and its probably easier to do with being underfunded.
     
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    Wouldn't destroying ivory just cause the price of ivory to go up since the demand is the same but the supply has dwindled (which could subsequently cause the demand to go up as well as it would be considered a bit rarer)?
     
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    Simple put, humans are fucking stupid. Not all but man this world could be so great if it was not so over run with greed.

    I sometimes think what this world would be like if we all worked together....
     
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    In that case, they could sell it as 'undercover cops' and then once they get the cash from the illegal transaction, they can raid and confiscate it again - and repeat the process over and over again with the same ivory.

    That's a good outcome - it makes it a very risky business for those who play the game, and it also funds the anti-ivory campaign.
     
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    I didn't think it was possible, but given enough time, anything is possible. I agree with you on something. lol
    I sell pre ban ivory items, as I deal with antiques. The ivory crushing in NY was ridiculous. I'm not sure the ivory should have been sold, but a monument in Times Square could have been made out of ivory to bring awareness, along with donations accepted to fund anti poaching programs.
     
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    Completely agree with all of that, the government is going about this the wrong way (in my opinion, and apparently other peoples' as well).

    The whole funding idea sounds pretty ideal... how has nobody even attempted it yet? That is unfathomable.

    I know the government can be relatively stupid sometimes, but SERIOUSLY? They really couldn't think of any other way to make use of the ivory?

    It leaves a sour taste in my mouth, almost like there's most certainly an underlying reason as to why they destroyed it. Maybe they really were trying to drive the prices up? We'll never know unless we get into the business ourselves.
     
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    Basically this.
     
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    Its another no brainer - that no brainers are choosing not to do.

    Are you surprised?
     
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    Hauling a bunch of arrested poachers and sellers of it in front of the camera also sends a message,while dropping the profits that poachers can make.
     
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    Robots will kill humans one day

    Also cloning will save or bring back the endangered species.

    Those secret Government cunts with black ops and super secret scientific progs
     
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    I agree with you. Ivory crushing is not effective. It has been done in the past and made no difference. There's a saying that goes "insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." I just shake my head sometimes at the stupid things government officials come up with.
     
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    Poachers have really gotten bad in Kenya, while the KWS is vastly underfunded.

    http://www.pri.org/stories/2013-10-08/rangers-kenya-are-outgunned-new-poaching-arms-race