Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by dubcorp, Jan 16, 2013.
can someone tell me why?
... maybe because you don't have the resources to pay them 500k a year?
I don't know about 500k, but it's going to cost more than you think for a good freelancer.
You must pay what they deserve and enough to live
Don't think to trick them with few bucks and make they become your slayer whole life.
ya ok...please go!
i know that you get what you pay for, im not a silly BHW teen on a budget
thanks for that, this is all VERY new to me/sarcasm
cause most freelancers don't have the time and resources to experiment on new things, seo game is always changing so you gotta experiment, adapt and change.
All due respect to OP i think the problem is not how hard it is to find a good long term seo outsourcer but the problem lies mostly on the mindset of a client as they are trying to maximum work for pennies,which is not possible. Just like any other offline business marketing,you need to promote your service/product extensively in order to get popularity & sales. SEO is no different then that but you have a big advantage is that you are paying much lesser money for your website promotion then you would have done normally for offline business & once your sit hit the rank you start making big $$$$ not for a short term basis but for a long term basis. So my question to you is that if you can pay some printing media/electric media more then 3-4k a month just to get few clients why shouldn't you half of it to a seo service even half of it getting you more laser targeted traffic for your website?
why is everyone assuming that i am low balling these people?
Because people asking the question frequently are low-ballers. I have offered a simple solution to those requesting affordable services, in the form of a one-off starter SEO package of several related well-researched keywords, a dozen articles written for the kws, and an initial quality backlink package. This way the services delivered are easy to quantify, and have a clean end point. This way the freelancer is also in better control of producing a good outcome, instead of trying to breathe rankings into a site with a hopelessly too-competitive keyword the client insists on using.
Too often, the client wants an ongoing, indefinite commitment from the freelancer for a tiny or one-time fee, and guaranteed high rankings that no one can honestly promise under Google's current circumstances. Many want the ability to get a refund if the subjective or transitory high rank position sought is not achieved or sustained, even if a lot of concrete work has been done. More than even the money factor, freelancers prefer not to get into the quicksand of providing real work and consulting, then getting into no-win situations with people who wanted $5000 level work done for $50.
Because thats what most companies/people do is lowball them? Several reasons for you to consider.
1, if they are good,can make a killing on their own sites
2, If they are good, they cant promise the world, so folks will go to the liar who promises heap big rankings!
3, maybe your not looking in the right places to hire them?
Anyhow just a few suggestions/reasons -- good luck
This.. Some clients have so much demand, with tiny budget.
When I am working as a freelance SEO, I dont guarantee #1 rankings on their site, But I will only guarantee ranking imrpovements.
Try finding seo firm locally, someone who have reputation.
Honestly, I get what you're saying. You aren't trying to low ball anyone, but you're getting freelancers that don't really know what they're doing. The best advice I can offer you, based off of experience, is that the best way to go about getting good freelancers is to learn SEO in and out yourself, and then teach the freelancer/worker/employee yourself. If you teach them the right thing to do, you'll get what you want
Stop lowballing and you will be confused why did you made this thread.
If you are looking for a freelancer to work on YOUR projects, then you are going to pay the going rate for quality SEO work. If you are willing to pay that, then there are hundreds of ethical and qualified SEO freelancers/companies that will be willing to work on your projects.
If you are looking for an outsource, then the majority of quality SEO freelancers are too expensive to make any kind of margin on for outsourced work since they can easily get hired themselves by companies. If you are willing to pay for these quality outsource freelancers, then you better be adding value on to of their work in order to get a good margin of profit.
Also the reason for many hostile posts is because normally a person actually looking to pay proper rates for a quality SEO freelancer will not come onto the forum and make your type of post/statement.
Instead they will make a post like, "I am having trouble finding a quality freelancer that I can utilize for X type of projects. I am willing to pay pretty close to average going rates and was wondering if anyone can point me in the right direction to find such a freelance. I will even pay a finder fee if said freelancer turns out to be of top quality".
most of the services that you will see focuses on the same thing -- its just good graphics separating one service from the other...
One important thing you should keep in mind is the use of unique content - if you are submitting say just 50 links - you will rarely find a team that will do 50 articles for those 50 links (which in my sense is the main difference). Me and my team run a service where we submitted as high as 30 unique and fresh articles for creating 30 links and now all my clients re just simple repeat clients...
Try and get links from Authority domains (i.e. focus on sites that have a diverse backlink structure - i.e. high DA/PA)
Avoid the crappy links to money site as they make no sense.. remember your main aim is quality links and not quantity
What you can also do is hire a VA - teach what you want and then they can replicate that for you ...
maybe because you use the word "legit" in your ads. I never had much respect for people who use words like "legit", "rockstart", "*****" and most serious people I know don't either.
It is always hard to find gold coins in a crowd of stones. You just have to educate yourself a bit before you can choose a quality SEO resource for long term. I know money can be an important factor as everyone above has already declared you a low paying employer but apart from that if you are paying a handsome amount then you have every right to judge a person/agency in order to see how competitive they are.
Here are a few things that you can ask before hiring a SEO agency/individual:
There are several good SEO's out there and you just have to find the right ones. Don't be so desperate!
It's soooo hard if you can't read in between the line.
It is not easy to find people who know what they are doing. Popular freelancer marketplaces are full with poor people who have no experience and offer to work for nuts.
Option 1 Find the right people (not easy) and train them.
Option 2 Pay at least 2x or 3x the usual price paid at freelancer marketplaces. Ask for samples and proof of skills.
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