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Why is it important to go to college/university?

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  1. royserpa

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    What do you think one should go to uni/college?

    Personally I believe there tons of more information out there than in a "secure" system called school.

    I "was" in Engineering (was because im not in uni/college atm) and I have to say I have learned a lot more than what it's taught in university. Seriously, I really don't understand when people say university is the almighty only way for life and knowledge.

    Hey lets keep this professional guys, but I would like to know what people in BHW think!
     
  2. wizard04

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    Sorry but anyone that says education is not important is one minded person to say at least.
    You can't be a doctor, layer, architect, engineer etc. without a university diploma. Lots of firms are asking for it when applying for a job, so you saying that university/collage is waist of time is stupid.

    Its always for the best to have a backup plan, have a university degree and try something on your own, at least you will have something to fall back if shit hits the fan.
     
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  3. royserpa

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    Yea I agree with the backup plan idea and actually thats the reason I have to go to uni/college.

    I'd like to know what other bhw members think though.
     
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    Get the degree from university, learn from here and apply for the job :D
    Few jobs need degree :)
    Even if your not having Degree and got a remarkable knowledge, company won't call you and you'll not get a chance to show your skills.

    PS : I've seen real life experiences of my colleagues.
     
  5. royserpa

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    Well I don't need a job as I'm earning a lot more than what my colleagues would earn at this time xD

    Also I prefer to work on my projects rather on someone else's, this is one main reason I don't really like uni/college as after you finish it you have to work for someone else.

    But the only reason I can see to get a degree is if IM or internet stops working and I would have to get a job, but I really can't see that happening in the meantime for years to come.
     
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    Wizard hit the nail on the head.

    It is all about your plan B, and some jobs requiring a degree.

    Most businesses and companies require a degree to get an interview and for any position worth having would also have the requirement of experience.

    The debate of 'Is a degree worth it' boils down to, in my opinion, stems from people who either A. Do not need a degree to get the specific job (For example, trades) or refuse to start at the bottom to get to the top.

    People who understand the degree and experience is as much about networking, having the piece of paper to get an interview and are willing to work their way up find the degree opened many doors. Others who get a degree and expect the world to be handed to them regret the college experience.

    For us in IM? I say get a degree in something you enjoy and would like to do if this all fails, and keep plugging along. It is always worth it to have some form of credibility.
     
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    You don't have to work for someone else after getting a degree you can start your own company.
     
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    Most people require structure to learn, and a university system is a place that offers that structure. This is the reason why they're not autodidactic like some of the members on Black Hat World are; even if you provide them with a device where they have all of mankind's current knowledge at their fingertips (*cough* a cellphone *cough*), they just aren't capable of absorbing knowledge, sorting, and filtering out the trash they may find in that way.

    These people also often have an employee mindset as well, meaning not only do they do better learning in a structured environment, but they are also not able to start and run a successful business. Even on the off-chance that they do manage to start a successful business like some YouTubers do, they often end up back at square one after a few years when they realise that they have no idea how to manage money only their YouTube venture begins failing.

    Regarding wizard04's post, the truth about having a backup plan in the form of a college degree is that while it's viable for most people, it's not always backup for other people. Take me for example, even if I were to get a degree, nobody would want to hire an autistic adult due to my social incompetency. Sure, I can fake a "normal" demeanour to some extent, although I'll always seem a bit "off" to most people.

    From day 1, most people have heard, "go to school, get an education". They hear this all through their childhood, through adulthood, until they die. So many people around them chant this mantra, people they trust like: their parents, teachers, and other authority figures, so they assume it's true. However, what I said above explains why they're like this. Some people simply do not have any other choice for education or a successful lifestyle.

    Sure, some of them may try to tell you to that going to college is the only way to live, but I've learnt to look at them the same I look at my cat. My cat doesn't understand that every time she vomits hairballs and chunks of food on the floor, she wastes my time and money trying to clean it up, so there's no reason to get mad at the cat or these people as they simply don't know any better.
     
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    Like Wizard04 said, it's really not smart to think that a university degree isn't important. It is a requirement for a lot of jobs but nowadays sadly, due to the abundance of people actually completing and receiving a university degree, they are becoming worth less and less and you are constantly seeing higher requirements (masters, PhDs etc.) as requirements for jobs that would have once only required a degree.

    Somethings about university are ridiculous, for example, I am currently in uni and one of my lecturers last semester said "if I were to apply to get a job now in the industry, I would have no chance. I haven't worked in the industry for 20 years". Then why the hell are you teaching a course to people who are trying to land a job.

    But yeah university is important, but god I wish it wasn't.
     
  10. karimneo

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    You must have one a "diploma" at least, even if you work on your own projects, take the case if you wanna push up your own business to the next level, sometime you'll be in the obligation to meet people... at least when presenting your self its a + if you mention your univ degree and diploma
     
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    I really think bad of the educational system in germany but I think most of it is also applyable for the systems all over the world, because they are focusing on competitiveness in the false areas like beauty and so on which don't really matters for a society which should work together. I think university, degrees, ... are one of the biggest jokes and scams. People get accepted or a job mainly because of their degree altough what you learn there sometimes is total bullshit ? People without a degree although they may have a better understanding of the world, skills, ... are not acceptable and trash ?

    The education is in my eyes a drill for slaves who have to work their asses off for stupid organization which have power, money and control and can force their will on them, so they can work out benefits for themselves and grow even bigger. It is a devil's circle and we couldnt break out so far, really horrible. I love science and wisdom, princicples and concepts of the world and truth but the society is not strong enough to build up a system that is based on those values where all humans can benefit from. Science and sanity is based on truth but in reality what is called "science" is based on lies, irrationality, corruption. Science is controlled by powerful organizations (can also be a single human being) which give shit on truth and only want more and more power.
    I hate this stupid, not-much-sense-making world. We could all together live a much better and more peaceful life where we could built up something but instead we compete with each other, destroy the world and ourselves.

    End of story.
     
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    Education is must. It will surely help you.
     
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    Actually I started my own company a few months ago, obviously it's peanuts regarding time, but it's one step I'm persuing really down the rabbithole ;)
     
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    I don't think a person with a college degree is "smarter" than a person without but at many places, degrees are necessary, depending on the degree and it depends on your field. For most work that is done, nothing you would learn in college would be helpful. If you look at the statistically significant number of cases where getting a college degree gives you higher probability of getting a white collared position
     
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    To get to know people, get to know girls, have the time of your life, broaden your view of the world... for starters.

    Forget money. Money is just a number. An important one, and it can buy you all the shit you want, but yes, in the end, just a number.

    And just to edit the post... there's absolutely nobody to say you can't make money at the same time.
     
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    There is nothing wrong with going to college if it is for you. I went and like knowing I have options. I didn't initially want to I and switched majors from marketing (funny in hindsight) to medical, but if left to my own devices I wouldn't have gone. I took awhile to finish, but I will say if you truly do not want to go to college don't do it. There is no point wasting time or money if you don't see yourself completing your education.
     
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    What matter is to get knowledge!
    It doesn't mater where you get the same !
     
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    What TONS of people who don't go to college or are anti college do not realize is all those research papers you read, those complex business models you implement into your business, all the data that can save you from destroying your business were more than likely written/found by people with college degrees.

    With millennials there is an incredibly high amount of ignorance and arrogance towards education. Yes it's way over priced. What so many millennials do not realize is that sitting on Twitter or Facebook all day, talking about how "we go kill it in life brah no 1 messin wit ma money" makes zero progression.

    I'm going to go ahead and say that most people who never went to college or dropped out and still become millionaires/billionaires were/are geniuses in their own right. Majority of people are not gifted with that kind of brain power, which in my opinion means they need post secondary education.

    There really is no better financial safety net than having a university degree. Once you have it, it's yours for the rest of your life. I don't think too many people who are anti-school realize that.

    I'm sure they will when they're 40 and are still living cheque to cheque. :rolleyes:
     
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