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Why is GDPR compliance being pushed so much for non EU companies?

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by ExperimentalSEO, Apr 27, 2018.

  1. dfpirate

    dfpirate Newbie

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    Too many clients on non eu countries
     
  2. ExperimentalSEO

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    Only if you sell a physical product, if you only have a digital product or service the EU's VAT law does not apply.
     
  3. Asif WILSON Khan

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    I think OP is just trolling now, there is now way people can be that blinkered

    I say good luck to all those who ignore GDPR, at the end of the day if you process/store EU Citizen PII Data then you should comply with GDPR, if you choose not to then be prepared for the consequences.

    If you really think the EU cannot take legal action against a US company then you are mistaken.

    I doubt any US company will be taken to Court over GDPR for the foreseeable future, until all the kinks have been ironed out and systems are put in place, but it doesn't mean it won't ever happen.

    https://politics.stackexchange.com/...ed-for-us-companies-with-no-physical-presence
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enforcement_of_foreign_judgments
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conve...on_and_Enforcement_of_Foreign_Arbitral_Awards

    I am leaving the thread now as it is going around in circles.
     
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  4. Sephrata

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    On Day 1 of GDPR enforcement, i.e. Friday 25 May, Facebook and Google were sued - https://www.theverge.com/2018/5/25/17393766/facebook-google-gdpr-lawsuit-max-schrems-europe

    We will see a lot of lawsuits now and with it, further redefining of GDPR law.

    Agreed. It's completely naivety to think that when you handle data of or receive payments from EU citizens, you're under no obligations to comply with EU law.

    The hands of the US DoJ and IRS stretch worldwide, without borders. The same applies to the EU and member states.
     
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  5. islandman1010

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    I know you are wrong. So instead of people finding you articles from top US law firms showing you are wrong how about accepting the challenge. Go and find some credible information (not your opinion) that a US business with no presence in Europe but collecting customer data from EU people does NOT have to comply with GDPR. If it's credible I will eat my British Bowler hat... if it's not you can eat some American Humble Pie. Challenge accepted?
     
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    This thread has taken more effort than GDPR at this point. I've been looking for the
    Unwatch button for awhile my God lololol

    [​IMG]
     
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    You start to sound "special" already. YES you have to add VAT for ANY service or goods that is not specially excluded from VAT, regardless of where you are and if the service or product is physical or digital.
     
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    I think You should close this thread... getting useless by minute
     
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    This is a great example of EU legislation - it's so complicated and far reaching that no one can make head or tail of it, and all you end up with is 500 different interpretations and points of view, and everyone going round in circles arguing - and no one is any the wiser at the end.
     
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    In a globalized world, it's not that easy, simple example: Many US based affiliate and CPA networks that are also doing business in the EU started or are going to start enforcing the GDPR rules on their affiliates, globally, to have their asses covered.
     
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    https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/travel-legal-considerations/internl-judicial-asst/Enforcement-of-Judges.html

    "There is no bilateral treaty or multilateral convention in force between the United States and any other country on reciprocal recognition and enforcement of judgments. "

    End of story
     
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    i am very sure , as long as you state in your legal page ,you do not in any cicumstacies hold any information or data on eu or outside eu countrys any sales or of any person name address or numbers,or personal info.

    my business database does not hold any information of personal or business info of any user of this website, eu or non eu website users.

    all sales are payed stright away and money is tacken from a online gateway and no information is stored on our website afther each sale is complete.

    all our sales are sold as seen .

    i am prety sure that will save your arse.
     
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  17. ExperimentalSEO

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    U.S. is willing to slap a 25% tariff on EU steel and 10% tariff on EU aluminum. Anyone that believes that the EU will be able to destroy the small business industry in America via GDPR is out of their minds, but its not stopping the relentless amount of GDPR fanatics posting all over the internet about how it overrides American laws.
     
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  18. islandman1010

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    Did you read what you posted or just meant to shoot yourself in the foot on purpose? Firstly your article is about the USA having powers to enforce USA judgements (nothing to do with GDPR) in other countries using treaties and secondly it says they can be enforced. To save you the trouble "Once a judgment has been issued by a court in the United States, formal legal proceedings usually must be initiated in the foreign country by an attorney authorized to practice in the foreign country."
     
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    Occupation:Student = kinda says enough.

    I'd start to study and learn facts, as these are more important than your opinions.

    The EU doesn't have global jurisdiction you are correct, however Americans aren't immune from prosecution for breaking EU laws. Ever heard of extradition ?

    The fact you may get away from being caught / prosecuted while you're sat in your bedroom doing your online stuff, doesn't mean you are totally safe. Until you're as big as Google, Amazon etc I doubt the EU will even know you exist, nor care about you.
     
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