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Why can you go to jail just for being somewhere

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by Roparadise, Sep 12, 2011.

  1. Roparadise

    Roparadise BANNED BANNED

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    Whats up with the law,where just if one of your friend does something you have no control over,you can go to jail for it as well. I was watching scared straight again,the first episode and several of the women in prison for 7+ years even life did not really do anything other then being too close to someone that did do something.
     
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    I don't know how to feel about the law when it comes to that, but as the old saying goes "birds of a feather flock together" normally if your friend commits a crime and your with him its assumed you had something to do with it even if you just had knowledge of the crime itself "guilty by association" comes into play ...but again i say there's those rare occasions where someone robs a bank and a friend in a car doesn't know nothing about the crime, and is not associated with the crime...it does happen but rare.
     
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    There was a new orleans saints player that got attempted murder charge,cause his friend got pissed off and stabbed someone in the neck. And he was not even involved in it.

    I was referring to situations like this when one of your friends get pissed off and does something.
     
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    Think there are other circs. Taken into consideration.

    But say you have 4 people that are all present at a killing, only one person actually does the deed, who is guilty?
     
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    Depends... If you are walking down the street and someone pops the guy walking next to you, are you going to jail? ;)
     
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    I think you have to prove you did everything in your power to stop it. I did law in high school but cant remember the details.
     
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    Happens in Singapore when it comes to drug laws. Even if you are a landlord & hold a key to the property & rent the ppty to drug dealer you can get done. Or if you (even unknowingly) are found in company of the drug dealer/user, you can get busted as well
     
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    I'n the United States its a little different. The government can fine the landlord up to $250,000 or the value of the drugs.
     
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    I believe that you can get out of a crime if done right. HELL! I think we all know it can be done just ask Casey Anthony. LOL. But knowledge is power. If you study law Jail/prison etc is considered "Warehousing" Its pretty interesting. I believe that crimes commited against others should be prosecuted. But a lot of the other 80 million statutes are BULLSHIT! So get caught with Marijuana in California cop takes your bag. Get busted in Florida call a lawyer if you can afford one. But if your an Internet Marketer pulling a Million a year, Speed, run every stop sign you can and say F*** the Police!! Cause it just wont matter...J/k :pirate:
     
  10. wowhaxor

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    Its not really like that. It depends you can either be charged with the act or with conspiracy. If you had knowledge before/during the crime and then were also uncooperative basically you can be charged with conspiracy.

    If you were hanging out with your buddy, he robs the store and you take off with him not reporting it etc, as an example, you can be charged with the crime.

    I was in the conspiracy situation before and they still have to prove a lot usually those charges get dropped at some point and are more used as leverage for getting you to rat on your buddy. The second scenario though is I'm guessing the one you're talking about, that's how the world works if your buddy robs the store either take your chances and take off or be like "wtf yo I'm not going to jail for that", stick around and clear your name.
     
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    Yea but thats if you speak to the police. You have the "RIGHT" to remain silent. If you speak to the police all your doing is letting them use there training to get you to admit something you have or have not done. It can easily come back on you as well. The more they know the more they use against you in court. RIGHT?
     
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    Exactly. As my attorney put simply when I was asked to give a statement and take a polygraph to back it up:

    "Never give a statement unless you're the victim. It will be twisted and used against you, best case scenario is there's nothing they can use so they'll just disregard it and push in other ways. It is never going to help you though."
     
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    The problem is the cops just arrest everyone they can and then let the courts sift through the aftermath. Then they cut deals with the snitches. I saw a first 48 where this guys friends robbed and killed someone and because he was on the phone before and after with them and told them to rob him everyone got the murder charge.
     
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    Exactly. I guess there is a lot of people out there that don't take time to learn there rights until there in a situation that provokes it.
     
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    Thats why you must choose your friends wisely
     
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    There's also that law in the US where if someone is killed during a crime, all of the perpetrators can be charged with murder, not just the person who did the killing. Eg. if you do a burglary and your accomplice shoots someone, you can be charged with murder as well.
     
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    Its not just murder, its any crime that occurs during commission of a felony. So if you're committing a felony (say robbery) and your buddy assaults someone you also get the assault charge, etc.
     
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    usually only if it is determined the landlord knew the perp was dealing drugs.
     
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    well in the USA your guilty till proven innocent
     
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    That's not the problem, its actually pretty easy to beat charges even if you are guilty as long as you keep your mouth shut and get a half way decent attorney.

    The real problem is that if you don't have money to bond out you'll sit in jail for at least a month until your trial unless you can get ROR or CR which is going to be tough especially if you've been arrested before and almost impossible if, again, you cannot afford a decent attorney - and that's for a petty misdemeanor, your wait gets a lot longer for a trial for serious charges.

    So basically if you have cash you'll be OK, if not your often better off to plead out. Admit guilt even if you're innocent and get sentenced to a week or two with automatic credit for good behavior you'll be out quick, maintain your innocence and stay in jail for a month or two until you have your day in court.

    IMO that is the number one problem with the system in the US.
     
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