Why Bitcoin Has More Intrinsic Value Than Gold

Sorry I dont see bitcoin replacing or overtaking gold.

Then you don't see the future that's coming.

The world is changing RAPIDLY.

AI, 3d printing, nanotech and crypto are the new industrial revolution. This isn't just about some "crypto coin fad". It's about the world becoming HIGHLY digital. The integration of biology and computers and the integration of humans and machine intelligence. This is where the world is going. In 20-25 years we will not be walking around with plastic visa/mastercards and leather wallets with cash.

Elon Musk wants to land humans on mars by 2026. MARS. Things are getting crazy. If you think we are still going to be clinging to gold like humans of 2000 years ago then you need to look deep at what's going on in the world and use your imagination more.

We will be mining in space soon.

We can't stay on earth. We will die out as a species if we don't get off the earth pretty soon. This pandemic is evidence of that. Much worse will come with advances in technology and the fundamental human aggression.
 
Then you don't see the future that's coming.

The world is changing RAPIDLY.

AI, 3d printing, nanotech and crypto are the new industrial revolution. This isn't just about some "crypto coin fad". It's about the world becoming HIGHLY digital. The integration of biology and computers and the integration of humans and machine intelligence. This is where the world is going. In 20-25 years we will not be walking around with plastic visa/mastercards and leather wallets with cash.

Elon Musk wants to land humans on mars by 2026. MARS. Things are getting crazy. If you think we are still going to be clinging to gold like humans of 2000 years ago then you need to look deep at what's going on in the world and use your imagination more.

We will be mining in space soon.

We can't stay on earth. We will die out as a species if we don't get off the earth pretty soon. This pandemic is evidence of that. Much worse will come with advances in technology and the fundamental human aggression.

I dont have the energy to argue but I highly doubt at least half of what you typed will plan out as you are putting it out sorry.
 
You could setup investments with smart contracts where people could automatically get payouts. You could setup a website with 3 other people and each person automatically gets paid under certain conditions. You could have the contract include things that need to be fulfilled by each party or they don't get paid. Maybe 1 person has to write 50k words of content a month and upload it to the site, and that content has to be unique and meet other requirements, otherwise they don't get paid. The applications are limitless.

Great write up, and I agree with you on most points. I'm a big proponent of crypto currencies. But couldn't fiat payments technically be automated too? I mean, we already have "direct deposit" for paychecks. I don't think fiat is that different from bitcoin on this point. Virtually any sort of online task can be automated.
 
Great write up, and I agree with you on most points. I'm a big proponent of crypto currencies. But couldn't fiat payments technically be automated too? I mean, we already have "direct deposit" for paychecks. I don't think fiat is that different from bitcoin on this point. Virtually any sort of online task can be automated.


Here's a good article which explains things better than I can here with regards to fiat vs bitcoin and inflation vs deflation etc.

https://cointelegraph.com/explained/how-supply-affects-cryptos-value-explained
In terms of automation, you can't really do that easily with fiat. You rely on banks and intermediaries. With crypto you don't. Contracts can be created and stored on the blockchain its self.

The blockchain is like a bank ledger, except rather than a bank handling it, it's public and stored across many computers with validation done automatically based on the mass consensus.

The blockchain can not only store the ledger, but also smart contracts.

So no intermediaries are required at all.
 
That's true, good point. Less intermediaries, less red tape involved, etc. I agree that crypto is inevitable. I really don't understand how some people can't see that.
 
Then you don't see the future that's coming.

The world is changing RAPIDLY.

AI, 3d printing, nanotech and crypto are the new industrial revolution. This isn't just about some "crypto coin fad". It's about the world becoming HIGHLY digital. The integration of biology and computers and the integration of humans and machine intelligence. This is where the world is going. In 20-25 years we will not be walking around with plastic visa/mastercards and leather wallets with cash.

Elon Musk wants to land humans on mars by 2026. MARS. Things are getting crazy. If you think we are still going to be clinging to gold like humans of 2000 years ago then you need to look deep at what's going on in the world and use your imagination more.

We will be mining in space soon.

We can't stay on earth. We will die out as a species if we don't get off the earth pretty soon. This pandemic is evidence of that. Much worse will come with advances in technology and the fundamental human aggression.

You might be right about your predictions, they certainly have a lot of logical ground. But, for now, I will keep my wealth where the big guys (central banks & financial institutions) do, in gold. No offense, but they know a bit better when it comes to preserving wealth, they have literally been doing it for multiple generations. When they start replacing their gold reserves with bitcoin and make it the de-facto inflation-proof currency like gold has been for at least 5k+ years, I will too.

No need to rush, you will have plenty of time to see the replacement of gold with bitcoin and exchange in time. It won't happen overnight and suddenly all gold owners will be left broke. And if BTC does become the next gold, it doesn't matter then what price you buy as long as you buy for wealth preservation purposes, just like gold - on average, long-term, it will always maintain value.

But, have you ever thought that this might not happen either? I was giving the subject of wealth preservation a very deep look one day. Stocks, bonds, private compaies, startups, crazy projects, they are all good for increasing wealth, but not preserving it. In my analysis, 2 assets were the best: real estate & gold.

Real estate is easily understandable. People need to live and sleep, basic need. Limited amount of land on Earth, so scarcity. Hence why real estate will always be inflation proof on long-term. No matter how many innovations we make, like steel and scaling buildings up, which increased the amount of livable land in the 1850s+ 10x in just a few years. But then again, population always keeps up and increases at the same rate. When we increase the total livable land again by some innovation (either by settling on Mars, terraforming the Moon or even conquering the oceans), population will increase again to keep up. This balance makes sure real estate never loses value long term, only short.

Now, let's take gold. Same principle of scarcity applies. High demand, limited supply. Reserves are actually abundant, but they scale with the current population at the time. For example, the reserves we have globally today are dozens (if not hundreds) of times more than say, 2000 years ago. But the population is also more and has scaled at roughly the same rate, keeping the balance of demand/supply in the scarcity zone, therefore making it a good vehicle for storing wealth.

I believe the same thing will happen if we discover more reserves, either on Earth or in space in asteroids. In the short term, gold will become more of a commodity as supply increases greatly (especially if we mine asteroids, there is literally more gold in a few asteroids than all reserves on Earth) and demand stays the same, but as the population increases, demand will increase and balance out again to the point of scarcity 100 years or so later down the road. So the mining argument in my opinion is bullshit. History tells a different story.


There are actually more chances of us discovering another scarce element as unique as gold and replacing gold with that element than with btc. While physical might not have as much value in a digital world, we are still talking about wealth preservation here. We want to see our wealth, not just some numbers on the screen. We want to protect it physically, not digitally where everything can be hacked. Currency WILL inevitably move on the blockchain, but currency is not wealth preservation. Currency is used by every human in every trade, but gold / btc is not.

I think we will expand the list of assets from 2 to 3, with btc (or another crypto with same scarcity effects if btc goes down the drain) being the digital alternative to gold. But replacing it?? No, not anytime soon, 100% won't happen within our lifetime, or probably even 2-3 other lifetimes after that. The world changes rapidly, but not as fast as you think.
 
You might be right about your predictions, they certainly have a lot of logical ground. But, for now, I will keep my wealth where the big guys (central banks & financial institutions) do, in gold. No offense, but they know a bit better when it comes to preserving wealth, they have literally been doing it for multiple generations. When they start replacing their gold reserves with bitcoin and make it the de-facto inflation-proof currency like gold has been for at least 5k+ years, I will too.

No need to rush, you will have plenty of time to see the replacement of gold with bitcoin and exchange in time. It won't happen overnight and suddenly all gold owners will be left broke. And if BTC does become the next gold, it doesn't matter then what price you buy as long as you buy for wealth preservation purposes, just like gold - on average, long-term, it will always maintain value.

But, have you ever thought that this might not happen either? I was giving the subject of wealth preservation a very deep look one day. Stocks, bonds, private compaies, startups, crazy projects, they are all good for increasing wealth, but not preserving it. In my analysis, 2 assets were the best: real estate & gold.

Real estate is easily understandable. People need to live and sleep, basic need. Limited amount of land on Earth, so scarcity. Hence why real estate will always be inflation proof on long-term. No matter how many innovations we make, like steel and scaling buildings up, which increased the amount of livable land in the 1850s+ 10x in just a few years. But then again, population always keeps up and increases at the same rate. When we increase the total livable land again by some innovation (either by settling on Mars, terraforming the Moon or even conquering the oceans), population will increase again to keep up. This balance makes sure real estate never loses value long term, only short.

Now, let's take gold. Same principle of scarcity applies. High demand, limited supply. Reserves are actually abundant, but they scale with the current population at the time. For example, the reserves we have globally today are dozens (if not hundreds) of times more than say, 2000 years ago. But the population is also more and has scaled at roughly the same rate, keeping the balance of demand/supply in the scarcity zone, therefore making it a good vehicle for storing wealth.

I believe the same thing will happen if we discover more reserves, either on Earth or in space in asteroids. In the short term, gold will become more of a commodity as supply increases greatly (especially if we mine asteroids, there is literally more gold in a few asteroids than all reserves on Earth) and demand stays the same, but as the population increases, demand will increase and balance out again to the point of scarcity 100 years or so later down the road. So the mining argument in my opinion is bullshit. History tells a different story.


There are actually more chances of us discovering another scarce element as unique as gold and replacing gold with that element than with btc. While physical might not have as much value in a digital world, we are still talking about wealth preservation here. We want to see our wealth, not just some numbers on the screen. We want to protect it physically, not digitally where everything can be hacked. Currency WILL inevitably move on the blockchain, but currency is not wealth preservation. Currency is used by every human in every trade, but gold / btc is not.

I think we will expand the list of assets from 2 to 3, with btc (or another crypto with same scarcity effects if btc goes down the drain) being the digital alternative to gold. But replacing it?? No, not anytime soon, 100% won't happen within our lifetime, or probably even 2-3 other lifetimes after that. The world changes rapidly, but not as fast as you think.
Bitcoin doesn't need to replace gold, they're completely different mate.



You keep investing in gold.. 11 years from now you might end up with a return of 1.68X again. As the usage of Bitcoin/crypto penetrates into the mainstream even more, the crossover is going to be a matter of a few years from a point in time where people are still putting forward these arguments to a point in time where even the biggest skeptics will realise they're ridiculous.

If BTC was going to fail, wouldn't it have done it by now? Or is the point that multi-billion dollar institutional investors and companies start investing into Bitcoin heavily the likely point that it's going to collapse? What would lead to that collapse? More adoption? Further integration into the mainstream financial sector? People receiving their wages in BTC?

The only people that think Bitcoin could "fail" or go to zero are the people that don't understand why the chart above looks like it does, and imo thinking that gold is ever going to be a better investment or store of value than Bitcoin is borderlining being delusional.
 
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You might be right about your predictions, they certainly have a lot of logical ground. But, for now, I will keep my wealth where the big guys (central banks & financial institutions) do, in gold. No offense, but they know a bit better when it comes to preserving wealth, they have literally been doing it for multiple generations. When they start replacing their gold reserves with bitcoin and make it the de-facto inflation-proof currency like gold has been for at least 5k+ years, I will too.

No need to rush, you will have plenty of time to see the replacement of gold with bitcoin and exchange in time. It won't happen overnight and suddenly all gold owners will be left broke. And if BTC does become the next gold, it doesn't matter then what price you buy as long as you buy for wealth preservation purposes, just like gold - on average, long-term, it will always maintain value.

But, have you ever thought that this might not happen either? I was giving the subject of wealth preservation a very deep look one day. Stocks, bonds, private compaies, startups, crazy projects, they are all good for increasing wealth, but not preserving it. In my analysis, 2 assets were the best: real estate & gold.

Real estate is easily understandable. People need to live and sleep, basic need. Limited amount of land on Earth, so scarcity. Hence why real estate will always be inflation proof on long-term. No matter how many innovations we make, like steel and scaling buildings up, which increased the amount of livable land in the 1850s+ 10x in just a few years. But then again, population always keeps up and increases at the same rate. When we increase the total livable land again by some innovation (either by settling on Mars, terraforming the Moon or even conquering the oceans), population will increase again to keep up. This balance makes sure real estate never loses value long term, only short.

Now, let's take gold. Same principle of scarcity applies. High demand, limited supply. Reserves are actually abundant, but they scale with the current population at the time. For example, the reserves we have globally today are dozens (if not hundreds) of times more than say, 2000 years ago. But the population is also more and has scaled at roughly the same rate, keeping the balance of demand/supply in the scarcity zone, therefore making it a good vehicle for storing wealth.

I believe the same thing will happen if we discover more reserves, either on Earth or in space in asteroids. In the short term, gold will become more of a commodity as supply increases greatly (especially if we mine asteroids, there is literally more gold in a few asteroids than all reserves on Earth) and demand stays the same, but as the population increases, demand will increase and balance out again to the point of scarcity 100 years or so later down the road. So the mining argument in my opinion is bullshit. History tells a different story.


There are actually more chances of us discovering another scarce element as unique as gold and replacing gold with that element than with btc. While physical might not have as much value in a digital world, we are still talking about wealth preservation here. We want to see our wealth, not just some numbers on the screen. We want to protect it physically, not digitally where everything can be hacked. Currency WILL inevitably move on the blockchain, but currency is not wealth preservation. Currency is used by every human in every trade, but gold / btc is not.

I think we will expand the list of assets from 2 to 3, with btc (or another crypto with same scarcity effects if btc goes down the drain) being the digital alternative to gold. But replacing it?? No, not anytime soon, 100% won't happen within our lifetime, or probably even 2-3 other lifetimes after that. The world changes rapidly, but not as fast as you think.

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I don't disagree with the sentiment that crypto is here to stay. I hate governments and central banking just like everyone else and if we could "cut the middleman" (A.K.A. banking) it would be a huge win for humanity. But the assumption that Bitcoin is replacing Gold as the go-to store of value and hedge against inflation in the next few decades is asinine. Elon Musk can't even hit his target dates on making cars and now we're talking about mining for gold on mars by 2026? Not saying it can't happen, but slow your horses.

World-renowned economists can't even consistently make accurate predictions about the direction of the planet/economy over the next 6 months, yet we're here talking about crypto being the world's reserve currency or replacing gold within 25 years.

When half the BHW homepage is spamming about bitcoin and even the guy who makes my sandwiches is buying it crypto and stonks, I think it's time to take a step back and actually ask yourself how much of this is speculation/FOMO and how much is genuine investment based on current value and fair predictions of future value. Yes, the world changes quickly but it can also change quickly in the complete OPPOSITE direction of your prediction. The gov could easily come out with US coin or the SEC could ban crypto trading as a whole. If you think that they can't kill crypto then you're in for a rude awakening.
 
Then you don't see the future that's coming.

The world is changing RAPIDLY.

AI, 3d printing, nanotech and crypto are the new industrial revolution. This isn't just about some "crypto coin fad". It's about the world becoming HIGHLY digital. The integration of biology and computers and the integration of humans and machine intelligence. This is where the world is going. In 20-25 years we will not be walking around with plastic visa/mastercards and leather wallets with cash.

Elon Musk wants to land humans on mars by 2026. MARS. Things are getting crazy. If you think we are still going to be clinging to gold like humans of 2000 years ago then you need to look deep at what's going on in the world and use your imagination more.

We will be mining in space soon.

We can't stay on earth. We will die out as a species if we don't get off the earth pretty soon. This pandemic is evidence of that. Much worse will come with advances in technology and the fundamental human aggression.

What are you talking about fundamental human aggression? I'LL KILL YOU!!!

...

Just kidding :)

Great thread man, good job.
 
Both are Different in actual

Gold you
can Have in Hands and feel

crypto you can Imagine

Both Comes from Different Markets
both Has Different Volumes Especially GOLD Holding His 1st rank Postion since many Years Now

hope You got it !
 
Originally it was valuable because you could melt it down and make ornaments.
Gold also has vast industrial uses , specifically high end hardware's and critical components for cutting edge technologies

Gold is physical and gonna stay while crypto is just a good concept , you never know how long the concept is going to be relevant
 
Any thoughts on how quantum computing might impact BTC's value?
 
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