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Why are you involved in black hat SEO if it's not long-term?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by TextBoss, Jul 29, 2013.

  1. TextBoss

    TextBoss Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Why are you involved in black hat SEO if it's not long-term? Eventually, Google will catch up with you. Why not just build really great content? What reason, specifically, do you do it? Isn't white hat SEO just as easy?
     
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    I am lazy, thats the reason.
     
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  3. Web Echo

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    It's business and you have to think from business point of view.

    If you can earn 1 year white hat income in 1 month with black hat then why not?? You can make another site after 1 month.

    Remember it's easy to make money with black hat then white hat.

    Disclaimer: I am not in black hat seo, I would like to but not yet. I am using other black hat traffic method and it's very easy to make some money than white hat seo. Honestly, I am tired of doing seo so I choose this way.
     
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  4. Scritty

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    Mainly because this "short term" results for many is a myth propogated by ass hat poseurs like Rand Fishkin to sell his massively overpriced SEO toys (which are just as capable of being used in BH ways as any other..the method is most often decided by the user not the application itself)

    There is one caveat here..

    Crap BH is short lived - but good BH has worked since Google - the same GOOD techniques have worked since google.

    If by black hat SEO you don't mean SEO at all but cracking, spoofing, trojans and fraud - well that's not SEO and you need to re-phrase your thread.
    If by SEO you mean optimizing a site for high natural ranking (SEO...for that is all and exactly what SEO means) by using automation, shortcuts, sub-prime (but not always bad) content..then that works - always has and Penguin, Panda and the rest have not made one tiny dent in it.

    Google is 14 years old. Many have made 7 figures since it began with absolutely NO sign of it ending.

    So how many life times are you measuring "short term" in? Or by BH SEO are you not talking about SEO at all?
    As for white hat being just as easy to succeed?

    You are taking the piss right?
    Tell you what. Start a blog on your favourite topic and post on it once a day for a year. Add that post to a facebook group, tweet it and what have you.
    Then come back on a year and tell me how many visitors your (now pretty fucking large) site has had REAL visitors not spam bots or spiders.
    If you've hit 10,000 TOTAL it will be a fucking miracle.
    FOr many it might even just be a couple of hundreds.

    If you make more links than this? Add content that isn't your (curate ...ahem). Then you're pretty much 50% of the way to BH anyway and your argument is not valid.

    Scritty
     
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  5. morgan456

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    People are intended to get instant results rather than consistent result...! May be this might be the reason.....!
     
  6. srb888

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    Eating will cause you make lots of sh!t, eventually!


    So does that mean you shouldn't eat at all? There are other great benefits of eating. Agree?
    Same goes for BH SEO too.
     
  7. Scritty

    Scritty Elite Member Premium Member

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    Myth.

    Crap work is crap - whether that's BH or WH

    Most people who claim BH either

    a) Completely fail or
    b) Use techniques that are pretty BH - but consider themselves better becasue they don't automate their spamming, linking or content scraping.

    "I'll take this article I found and "curate" it"
    "I'll add a few bits to this post I wrote and "syndicate" it"
    "I'll post a comment on this blog because ...erm it will add "value" "
    "I'll send out this email to my list with a self serving affiliate link or sales pitch in it as i think they would "Benefit" from knowing this product was available"

    Attitudes like that - self righteous priggish whining and after all is said and done "black hat without the automation". All you really are is "less effective" Doing in a week what I can do in an hour. Good luck to you.

    And that doesn't mean "link spamming" or content repetition. I can set up campaigns to drip 2-3 links a day across hundreds of platforms using different content every post. Takes ten minutes.

    And you know when Google looks at the links you slaved over and the ones I set up and ran in 10 minutes. You know how it spots yours are WH and mine are BH?

    Trick question It can't and it doesn't!
    Don't go thinking that BH is all link spamming and content spamming with unreadable crap.

    If that's what your railing against then your fighting 2008's battles. With very few exceptions we've all moved on. refined our processes. tricked up our methods and unlike most who evangelise about (what they consider to be) WH - we listen to all opinions (including MOZ - which is mostly the same barely effective shite regurgitated in different forms year after year) and take the best of all of them and automate/improve/refine them rather than just praying at the alter of Moz like some brain dead peon
    BH? WH? Who cares. "Crap method is crap".

    Never had a site fail in 16 years - never been white hat. I know for a fact that there is absolutely no way I could have achived the sales, ranking and potential future income I have following WH methods.

    And if it DID all collapse tomorrow? I've made 200x my investment back and had a 17 year career using the same techniques more or less
    You couldn't get a job anywhere doing anything that would guanrantee a career that long - and to pretend that because you claim to be WH you have found some ever lasting guarantee of success "Because I slogged it the hard way and deserve it"?.... The only person you're fooling is yourself.

    Scritty
     
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  8. BadyBoySEO

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    Short term gains and automation make Blackhat methods very effective. Someone in my niche got their affiliate link ranking above the providers own listing in the SERPS, this only lasted a couple of days, but the guy will probably end up generating several thousand in commission.
     
  9. srb888

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    Some time back, we members (at least 2) had proven on BHW that even a site like Am@z0n used very dark method/s on their site to pull wool over search engines' eyes. So, would you give up a job there if you had one? ;)

    Point is: No point at all. Everything is fair in love, war, and online business (until biggest BH'er G isn't p!ssed by it).

    Disclaimer: I don't consider scamming, cheating, and e-murder (incl child-abuse) any of the three...
     
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  10. niroshana35

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    Most of us can't wait until long term results to appear that's why use black hat for short term until we get long term results from white hat techniques :)
     
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    I think a lot of people on here are not into "short term" anything. Ok, so some techniques may go out of favour, but they evolve and carry on working.

    +rep for Scritty's insight.
     
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    Agree very much with scritty. But assuming any given blackhat technique is short term, for me, it makes a lot of money, but is also risky. The moral of the story is, good work is good, and bad work is bad; do good work its better.
     
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    If some small business is paying you $250/month and wants results yesterday, good luck with "create good content that gets links/shares" shit. Hate this bullshit, is like online is made only of businesses with x,xxx+ seo budgets/month.
     
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  15. Peter Ngo

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    White hat? Tell me more how you gonna gain traffic?
    White hat = no off page seo then where to gain traffic?
    Oh well maybe you just work for google.
     
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    I am personally involved for the following reasons:
    1. Fast results to make some money.
    2. Also 2nd reason is that there is no whitehat in this world. You keep adding good content but until people dont know about you how you are going to have social buzz or sales or more visitors to your website in this world where every keyword is having 100.000+ results full of quality link building.

    So since we have no other choice 500,000+ users are here at blackhatworld.com and learning new things and ideas as well as sharing the same as required and happy to do the same :)

    I am happy to be a part of it are you all too... ?
     
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    Burn and churn, lots of traffic in short amount of time with BH methods.

    Get a new site, rinse, wash & repeat
     
  19. Duffers5000

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    My first site was totally white hat. All hand crafted, professional content. Updated regularly with specific industry information that made the competition look average. If I say so myself it was a powerhouse of a website. To this day it gets about four hits a week !

    Since I went blackish two years my sites go to page one of search engines , stay there and drive business to me.

    SEO evolves, a lot of what is considered grey hat or even black hat today was white hat several years ago. Theres no way I would ever put time an effort into a site again and sit there waiting for the google fairy to come and show me some love.
     
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    WH = "if you build it they will come". They wont

    Rank, then bank. Traffic is the lifeblood of IM. Without it, that great quality site is just waiting to be repurposed by someone smarter