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who fills in their own leads here?

Discussion in 'CPA' started by donutking, Apr 15, 2009.

  1. donutking

    donutking Registered Member

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    I don't do it, but it got me curious. does anybody actually do shit like this here? i read a thread on another website where some guy who did it big time rented out a real office, and had 10 guys in there with like 5 VPN's, filling out offers all day every day. they were making $50k a month for 3 or 4 months and then closed down the operation. that is really sad, but what if you just did a few offers to make a quick $400 or $500 a month, is that really bad?
     
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    ~@-kanye-west-@~ Power Member

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    i think none. because thats the worst way to make money online.
     
  3. Rein1418

    Rein1418 BANNED BANNED

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    I use bots for email submits. I bind them to any other file out there so I get different IP's. makes me $200 - $500 a day.
     
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    ~@-kanye-west-@~ Power Member

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    do they invalidate your leads?

    cause all email submit have a team whos' checking for the person information that your intering in the 2nd page..

    if you got $200-$500 a day leads.. and even 1 did not convert.. they will just invalidate your leads for sure.
     
  5. MaxSteve

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    Yes, people here fill out there own leads, either manually or via bots.

    Yes, it's really bad because it's basically screwing merchants out of their money. It's this type of shit that causes CPA rates to get watered down, and causes some merchants to start shaving. Funny how those who complain about shaving are really the ones causing it, but I digress...

    If you get caught, you'll get booted and lose your earnings.
     
  6. sinewave

    sinewave Senior Member Premium Member

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    I spoke with a fair number of my AMs recently since I'm starting some new campaigns. Nearly ALL of them made a point to tell me that advertisers are just looking for any reason to label the leads publishers send "fraudulent".

    Personally, I want my networks and their advertisers to love the leads I send.
     
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    ~@-kanye-west-@~ Power Member

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    me too..
     
  8. sinewave

    sinewave Senior Member Premium Member

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    I don't think it's ironic so much as it's consequential.
     
  9. MaxSteve

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    I've dealt with many merchants and most are not interested in labelling publishers as fraudulent unless they really are. From the perspective of a merchant, if an affiliate's leads are profitable, there isn't much reason to go for the short term gain of labelling them fraud just to pocket a few hundred/thousand, but then lose that publishers long term revenue, which could be significantly more.

    Sinewave, I wish more pubs here at BHW had the same attitude you do regarding your leads. There's a huge difference between BH SEO/greyhat stuff and the bots/form fillers/deceptive iframers, etc that I read about here. Truth of the matter is most merchant probably wouldn't care much about the greyhat stuff as long as they got a legitimate lead from a person legitimately interested in the product/service they were signing up for.
     
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  10. sinewave

    sinewave Senior Member Premium Member

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    FromANetwork, just so you know I'm not that unique around here. I believe the great majority of us want to create real value for everyone involved in our business.

    I appreciate your voice here.
     
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  11. blackxxxer

    blackxxxer BANNED BANNED

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    If you're filling out your own offers via proxies, unique emails, real phone numbers & address form whitepages, how the hell are they going to catch you? seriously even if they call the people most will think it's a sales call and hang up? plus if you're only doing a small amount like $500/network how are you going to get caught?
     
  12. sinewave

    sinewave Senior Member Premium Member

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    No question there. There do exist some very shady networks.

    When Ruck waxed poetic on his blog and on YouTube last year about clixgalore.com I signed up immediately; however I've never been able to really apply myself to any of those offers ... it just looked toooo scammy.

    I've no doubt he's retracted that recommendation somewhere.

    RocketProfit? I'm signed up to them too but -- like clixgalore it's like being in a cartoon. It's hard to put my attention toward marginal networks.

    That said, I do try to stick to the networks that will work with me, help me, respond to my questions, answer my calls ...
     
  13. sinewave

    sinewave Senior Member Premium Member

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    Clearly you've not analyzed traffic with a real, industrial-strength, server-side package.
     
  14. blackxxxer

    blackxxxer BANNED BANNED

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    Yea actullally i've thought of that mr. sinewave, but if you find the geo-location of the proxies you're using to fill the offers out, you can use that information to find an address/phone number to use that matches that location. ;)
     
  15. sinewave

    sinewave Senior Member Premium Member

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    My favorites?

    A4d -- somewhat new for me
    Affiliate.com (formerly CPAEmpire)
    Azoogle
    C2M
    Copeac
    Hydra
    LeaderMarkets
    MaxBounty
    NeverBlueAds

    Those are mine. Anyone else have favorites?
     
  16. blackxxxer

    blackxxxer BANNED BANNED

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    I looooove XY7 they are the best, they even sell me crack on the side (upon request only though)
     
  17. sinewave

    sinewave Senior Member Premium Member

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    Oh c'mon! Have you even thought about:
    - Display resolution, (yeah, a decent analytics package reports this),
    - OS (Mac? Windows? Linux? Windows with .Net? Windows without .Net? Service Package version? Java version? Flash version? (yeah, a decent analytics package reports this),
    - Plugins,
    - Browser & version (IE, FF, Konkeror, Netscape, Opera, etc and all of the various versions?)

    Oh, and I'm not a "mr."
     
  18. blackxxxer

    blackxxxer BANNED BANNED

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    Yes actually I have thought of browser-agent, probably one of the easiest things to fake! next disable java, & disable flash in the browser thats solves that problem right there. finally display resolution? are you serious? i doubt they actually look for that in every single offer. Even if they did i dont honestly think they'll go far to review that info for filling out a couple $100 worth of bad leads.
     
  19. sinewave

    sinewave Senior Member Premium Member

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    Great. Go for it.

    Just out of idle curiousity, why are you asking to purchase CPA accounts?
     
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  20. blackxxxer

    blackxxxer BANNED BANNED

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    Why I'm asking to purchase CPA accounts? hmmm why do you think i've been so interested in this thread?