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Whitehat Guru's WTF

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by taberdude2, Oct 10, 2009.

  1. taberdude2

    taberdude2 Junior Member

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    So I'm writing this post with one particular supposed guru in mind, however there are many others. In our dl section is AA by Jo*nny A*ndrews. Out of curiosity, I found 2 other products of his. Briefly scanned all 3 products and came to the following conclusion about IM: rehash a product, make a pretty package, and it all depends on who you know-bam your an instant guru.

    So I went one step further and took a peak at this guru's blog- he talks about his "offline" coaching- as in setting up sites for clients method.

    And I instantly got pissed off and my wheels in my head started spinning. Is that "the way" to make money online? Regurgitate crap and sell it in a pretty package?

    The other thing that gets to me is his screen shots in his products- I know screen shots can be faked. I just don't think his screen shots are from working the methods that he is selling. I think they may be from product sales.And I find it mis leading.

    Does this about sum up WH making money online?

    Everyone on Wh forums swear its in "the list," and pick a method and stick with it until you see results. That's all fine and swell but what happens if a person never finds that one method.

    I'll use myself as an example. I have started and ran 2 businesses offline, as well as a non profit. I also have a college degree in a law type of field. But for the life of me, the only way I have found to make money online was by writing my own product and flipping some auto-blogs. Essentially both methods were my own creation.

    I suck at clickbank and any type of actual affiliate marketing-never have seen a dime yet.


    Anyway-I'm not crying here-just think I had an eye opening experience- please anyone chime in here- what are your thoughts?


    {Insert Sarcasm Here}So I'm off to go create a huge honkin list and maybe regurgitate some shit and find some great graphics for my products. Maybe next year, I'll be saying hi aboard my yacht and I'll call it "The SS Sink or Swim!" :D
     
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  2. taberdude2

    taberdude2 Junior Member

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    Wow-complete silence.:(

    Has nobody else noticed? It seems all methods are the same only in a different package.

    Simple question: Is that how the guru's make their cash?

    In the instance of the above mentioned name, I can't see that person actually using the 4 methods, personally. So his screen shots would be what? Product sales?
     
  3. mpruben

    mpruben Registered Member

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    I guess we are all silent because we are surprised everybody doesn't already know that, indeed, it's all the same rehashed stuff.

    Is somebody really going to give away his money making method if it really does make money?
     
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    taberdude2 Junior Member

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    That explains the silence. LOL. I didn't just realize it. I've known for awhile.:)


    I'm a member of several forums, 2 of them have a dl section, so I swear I think I've read every "method."

    Then there is the wh forum, it almost makes me feel oogy sick to read some of the posts over there.

    All these newbies always asking how do I make money online and they get fed the following lines: "take action," "find a method and stick with it."

    Been there done that and nothing really works because all methods are the same ol, same ol for me.

    So my eye opener came when I read the blog and then I knew- he is only repackaging crap and selling it with a pretty container. As are probably most guru's. That's why I hear that over and over ad infinite- "its in the list." :D
     
  5. blackma

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    These fucking gurus, annoy me too. John Reese and Frank Kern are legit tho, or at least provide some evidence that they know what they are talking about!

    This forum is all you need dude!
     
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  6. taberdude2

    taberdude2 Junior Member

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    I know- I really love this place. That's why I posted my questions observation here. I knew I would get a straight answer, reply.

    If I had posted elsewhere, ie-on the wh forum- the cultish members would have been all butt hurt about what I said. I don't think anyone would have agreed.:D
     
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    It's all in the list.

    Take action, then find a method and stick with it.

    :)

    Seriously though, check out any of the sub-forums here for some $$$$$$
     
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    redtide1969 BANNED BANNED Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    It's amazing how many people build their own reputation through flat out bulls*it and packaging. It's easy for us as Bh'ers to pick it out but for the average joe Internet surfer they'll buy into it everytime.

    "Claim to make money, wrap it up with a pretty bow, and milk the unsuspecting with rehashed BS"
     
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    Hey, you. Yea, you. At home eating your hamburger. I just made 2.7 million while you enjoyed that hamburger. Sign up for my ebook and I will show you step by step how to live like I do.


    ....................And it's only 7.99 :rolleyes:
     
  10. phpfiend

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    Its all very sad and very true. Rehashed BS is the name of the game for most "Gurus" Hell, most of them got to where they are now either through repackaged bs but a few like Kern and Schwartz are deff legit. Tho IMO taking action is a big one for most newbie IM'ers.
     
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    that and the shovels /other supplies...
     
  12. luiza

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    My thoughts... honestly?

    The entire internet is all about sharing information. Google is worth billions because those guys realized that how to find the information was more valuable than the information people were looking for.

    WH gurus are doing the same thing as google. They take information that's already out there and make it easy and fast to find it. McDonald's isn't making billions because their burgers taste the best or because they invented a new type of food that nobody's ever seen before.

    A useful thing to ask might be, "What can we learn from the WH gurus to help us make even more money faster?"
     
  13. taberdude2

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    So why aren't their methods exploited more? Or why don't more people do the same thing as they are, if that is one of the biggest ways to make money?


    The thing that gets me is- that alot people wrinkle their noses up at blackhat techniques.

    But in their very own way-these wh guru's are implementing some pretty shady stuff.

    The saying "Fake It Til You Make IT," comes to mind.

    So with the ability to fake screen shots {thanks java script}, some great pics, cool graphics for your ebook and video discs, video software and tons of available ebook products that could be rehashed and don't forget the list & a killer landing page.

    Hmmm-may take time, but it sounds like it could be easy to become a guru.

    Doh and I started with promoting CB products.:D I could have taken the fast track!
     
  14. blackma

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    Use adwords to build a list. Sure not every one will buy from you staright away but almost all of them will buy something! Provide unique entertaining content, God knows the Internet marketing world is in need of some o dat. You could really dominate your market if you just did more work than most. You will stand out. It might cost you $$$ in Adwords (yahoo would probably be cheaper) but you will always have the list!!!
     
  15. croixstar

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    Here's my real thoughts on the subject;

    Making money in IM in the guru world is very much modeled on the 1990's 'self help', 'seminar' 'entrepreneur' money making method. You buy and sell a few properties and then sell a property investment seminar, products, books etc. and become the "go-to guy" for that market. Then you make your real money in selling "property investment courses" instead of actual property investment. It was done and done offline back in the info-product market in the 80's/90's, to name a couple of big ones, Tony Robbins, Kevin Treudau etc. (notice how Tony is now teaming up with Frank Kern?)

    It's the same in IM but way better and far more accessible. - You don't need to buy TV slots to advertise, and your products are instantly downloadable without having to arrive in the mail in that special display case style tapes and CD's package (yet they still use those photoshopped CD images on their sales page to capture the baby boomers etc.)

    If you look at the real world, you can ask a simple question - Are the guys making big money in their chosen industries making "how-to" courses in that industry or focusing on just making money in their industry?

    Did Richard Branson go on to make money in the "how to buy an airline" niche or "how to build a record label" niche? or did he just suddenly go straight into buying and owning a mobile phone company....

    You can definitely make money online in any niche but you're still competing with all the brick and mortar/authority businesses (both offline and online) to do so (Think Amazon/Walmart etc.)

    The path of least resistance to just sell the dream to the wannabe's because no one else in the "real world" outside IM is doing it. Which = more sales and less competition.

    Just the same as the infomercial/self help market back in the day.

    Put it this way - If Frank Kern was earning massive coin in the the dog training niche, do you really think he'd be quitting that to pursue his 1mil+ email campaign launches in the IM niche - teaching people how to make BIG MONEY in a dog training type niche?

    Doubt it.

    But hey -If you can't beat 'em join 'em.
     
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    Most of these W.H. are the biggest scammers around....but it's amazing how many people stick up for them..Probably because they are selling their products for a %.

    Once you step back you kind of see that most business is a scam to a degree. I mean consultancy, financial markets, services, etc it's about making money not empowering the buyer/user.
     
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    you know these people or gurus make these ebooks and packages for one reason...... they sucked at IM. There is a saying from someone out there that states when all else fails write a ebook.....
     
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    dude 98% of clickbank products to make money online are produced by people who make their cash selling ebooks about that stuff

    they sell methods they never used, i can post some shocking revelation as i spy on the big names after meeting them on seminar; and found out they have tons of rubbish niches website that don't grab a penny a day

    the legitimate are the exception, that's why it's so easy to outperform them, just create something for real and you will sell truckloads

    yes most are fake and yes even the biggest overhype it, recently one left the IM business after being exposed for his lies.

    some of these coaching is just scratch backs session to get you on a nice mood
    doesn't worth a penny, as they just tell you how they sell PLR bullshit to their zombies lists

    some people who really find an original way to make good cash keep the method for themselves if they are nto complete dumbass

    that suck big time, but that's great if you find the real deal

    Shaz
     
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    just a thought here.... if you mean "rehashed" kinda like starbucks "rehashing" coffee, or 8-track tapes to cassette tapes to cd's to digital on ipods? The examples are endless.

    If you understand everything gets "rehashed" you'll find opportunities everywhere. Don't forget there is usually a little improvement over the old method along with a shiny new package...
     
  20. medway

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    The diet niche is a perfect example. You can probably sum up all anyone needs to know about how to lose weight in a couple of pages at most. Yet look at how many 'methods' to lose weight there are.

    It's the same technique as IM, part of the trick is just coming up with a catchy name for the diet, like the "hollywood diet' or 'grapefruit diet' etc.. etc.. The underlying process is the same, consume less than you expend but they just put a twist on it to make it sell.

    Most of the IM stuff is structured the same, similar process but they just add one twist or focus on one part and use that for their title to make it seem like a new method.

    Look at most movies, also all rehashes on the same themes with just slightly different details.

    Like the above poster said, 'rehashing' doesn't have to be a bad thing. You can improve the overall quality of what you're presenting. You might not be saying something completely new but it can still be of value. And for new people they need to learn the basics somewhere so someones got to 'rehash' at some point.