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When to start point PBN links to my money site

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Maser, Dec 6, 2014.

  1. Maser

    Maser Registered Member

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    I've got a money site which I want to rank an inner page on. The domain has low authority (11) so I'm trying to be careful. Everything's been indexed since the 3rd, and I've got 2 PBN's that have some power (I've tested by throwing links at other sites), with a 3rd parked that has a clean backlink profile. Just 1 Web 2.0 which has been indexed for a week which isn't point to anything yet but has 3 articles.

    I've got 7 social profiles pointing to the main domain (all naked or brand), 2 of which are social bookmark sites (Diigo and Delicious). The social bookmarks are also pointing to the article I want to rank with naked urls. I tweeted the link also.

    I'm ranked at #47 and sitting still for my keyword right now the past 2 days, which is where it debuted.

    I was thinking, link to the article with a brand url from my Web 2.0 (wordpress) either today or tomorrow, then link with 1 exact match anchor from my strongest PBN a couple of days later, then use the other PBNs with partial anchors about a week later each.

    The keyword's very low competition, most of the pages ranking have no backlinks, aren't very well targeted and are ranking off of mediocre authority alone. 26 competition in Keyword Revealer.

    Also, I have Spyder Spanker on my PBNs. This is a stupid question, but is there any reason to put it on a money site?
     
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  2. SEO Power

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    There's nothing wrong with the way you've decided to drip feed the links and your choice of anchor text for each link. No need to install Spyder Spanker on your money sites.
     
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  3. tony_d

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    I don't see any issue with your plan - if anything, it's a little on the conservative side.

    My standard approach calls for adding 10-15 high powered PBN links per week, every week, until I get the desired outcome. So adding a handful of links over a few weeks certainly isn't going to be an issue.
     
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    Tony, you have a great approach to ranking. I like that.

    In this case, since the keyword is very low competition, I wouldnt waste too many of my valuable backlinks.

    @Maser
    As for installing the Spyder spanker, I wouldnt do it on my money sites.
     
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    Following this post !!!!

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  6. moonlighsunligh

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    How do you dilute anchors/do you use some other kind of links to bring exact anchor to <20%? So no links from the pbn are wasted?
     
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    20-30% exact match, 10-20% naked URL, and the rest just random (but related) terms.
     
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    Did you also found useful some other sources of links for decreasing anchor ratio? Maybe social bookmarks?

    Are edu profile links safe for the purpose?
     
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    tony_d do you use any provider from here? or other forum
     
  10. moonlighsunligh

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    I am pretty sure he has his own pbns.
     
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  11. Maser

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    Posted about a ~600 word article yesterday to my Web 2.0 with no real change (which is good, I didn't expect any).

    Sitting at #46, 2nd page for a lot of long tails adding in just 1 secondary keyword to my main keyword so that's good. Going to go ahead and post around a ~700 word article on my PBN that's been moving sites pretty well later today with an exact match anchor.

    For the page I'm ranking, that will put me at 25% (exact from PBN, brand from Web 2.0, naked from Diigo and Delicious). I figure that shouldn't be too high with this low a # of backlinks. I don't think this will take many at all to rank but I'll bring that percentage down as I add more links.

    One question I do have, let's say my keyword is "blue widgets"

    If I did another link in the future that was anchored with say "colorful blue widgets" how does that come into play with regards to my ratios? Just a partial right? Or do I need to consider that in my exact match calculation?

    I was thinking it would only be a partial but if anyone could clear that up I'd appreciate it.

    If I have to add say 10 links to this page I'd like to just use a bunch of partial matches like described in alexthepbndude's thread rather than using PBNs for just naked and brand links (and I'd rather not build more 2.0s if I don't need to).
     
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  12. moonlighsunligh

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    This is something i would like to know as well. If the domain names is for example bluewidgetsguide.com is it ok to use 50% anchor text: "blue widgets guide".
     
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    Sounds like a good plan, always better to be conservative when there's not a ton of other links already in your backlink profile. Be sure to continue to keep adding new non-PBN links from diverse platforms as you add the PBN links, both to balance out the kw diversity and show that your site is still "growing in popularity" to justify the higher-powered PBN links. And "no" on spyderspanker for the money site.
     
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    What non PBN links except web 2.0 are safe?

    If the domain name is for example bluewidgetsguide.com is it ok for 50% of anchor text to be: "blue widgets guide".
     
  15. tony_d

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    As moonlighsunligh said - I have my own networks.

    I simply don't trust the concept of a public network - it's just way to high risk for me, especially being that the majority of my sites are in niches that are pretty low, possibly medium, competition so it would be silly to introduce unnecessary risk to what would be otherwise a long term site.
     
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    Is it good to use old/new web2.0s for anchor text diversification OR PBN are enough if you have a lot of them?
     
  17. Maser

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    Posted my first link with an exact anchor on Sunday afternoon. No movement on any of my keywords yet.

    Have the article for my 2nd PBN link ready to go, but figured I'd ask about the anchor before I posted it.

    Let's say my primary keyword is "how to build a shed" and my secondary keyword is "how to build a shed fast".

    Anchors already built are:
    1) naked url from delicious
    2) naked url from diigo
    3) Brand name (which contains none of my keywords) from Web 2.0
    4) "how to build a shed" from PBN homepage

    For this 2nd PBN link I have ready to go, would "how to build a shed fast" be okay as the anchor? I was thinking just "build a shed fast" to be safe, but if I can hit the 2nd keyword directly without overoptimizing for my first I'll just do that.
     
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  18. tony_d

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    It's fine...

    You're over-thinking things.

    Just build links, and more links, and more links. Just don't exceed 20% exact anchors, and you'll be ok.
     
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  19. Jack Torrance

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    Spyder Spanker is an obvious footprint.
     
  20. SwordSandal

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    You can start straightaway, no point in worrying unless you are pointing hundreds at a time.