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When buying links from a site what metrics do you look at?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Netvertiser, Dec 4, 2013.

  1. Netvertiser

    Netvertiser Registered Member

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    Now that PR is not updated it's really tough not to look at that green bar and judge the site by it. But then we have new sites like 1 year old that look fine but have no PR. Is DA/PA and Majestic's TF/CF the thing nowadays or do people still crave for that allmighty PR when deciding to buy a link? Because anywhere I look PR is still being advertised like nothing happened. Like so few switched to any other metrics.
     
  2. lmxftw

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    The buyers switched, the sellers didn't.

    It's hard, as a seller, to start building a service in 2012, based on PR, and to market it in 2013 based on DA/PA/TF/CF/SEM metrics.
    That's why everywhere you look PR is still being advertised as the 'jump in, the water's fine' metric...

    In this day and age buyers have to be on their toes because selling a link building service is pure IM and the seller is driven by the ROI, not by the customers satisfaction, repeat business and/or overall quality of work.
    You're buying a one time gig, not hiring him.

     
  3. tony_d

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    I wouldn't agree with this as a blanket statement, but certainly as a good rule of thumb.

    I keep buying from sellers who offer a good service, and have a good attitude in dealing with me. They don't need to be angels, but I don't like being treated with contempt in the way some blackhat sellers think their customers should be treated. As a result, the 'good ones' seem to be raking it in, mostly from repeat clients like me.

    Capitalism at it's finest, really, isn't it? The cream rises, the rest die off.
     
  4. Bartholomew

    Bartholomew Regular Member

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    PR is still almighty. No PR - no buy. Just avoid sites with fake one. It is mostly link sellers who talk bullshit that PR is useless, as their sites are just new (less than a year old), or they can't rank their pages, or they have sites with PR 0 because google rezeroed their PR for link selling. The best link would be in the content of already high-PR page, you may pay a premium for such links. If you post a new article (so that the page with your article cannot have any PR) - look for the PR of the home page, ensure that your article will be on home page for several days and that after this your article should be no more than 2 clicks away from the main page. I wouldn't pay much for the second category anyway, unless the donor site is really authority one and has heavy traffic, which will read your article.

    Domain age > 1 year

    Design - something more or less nonstandard. I try to avoid WordPress sites altogether unless they have very custom template.

    Outbound links count - depends on the site, but it is better to look for no more than one outbound link per page (not including sitewide outbound links) and at least one fourth of pages on the site should be without any outbound links. Links to very high PR authority sites, such as universities, are ok. You may put such links in your own articles.

    Donor has no outbound links with spam anchors (such as essay writing, Ugg boots, fake watches and whatnot) on any page of the site. Adult anchors are not as bad as these spam ones.

    Don't buy links in footer, unless it is sitewide link.

    No spinned articles on donor site.

    Most content pages on the donor site should rank high by their title in google SERP.
     
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  5. SkyrocketSEO

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    Only if you don't know how to check site's quality. When I have a client that tell me how they want PR2+ Links I just turn my back....First, having PR2 is nothing special. Second PR wasn't updated for 10 months. Third, I know such client will pay $10 max for a link
     
  6. Bartholomew

    Bartholomew Regular Member

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    There's one way to be sure - PR. Sites less than 1 year old have no quality. Older sites with 0 PR - you just never know if the PR of the site was reset by google, and links from such flagged sites can hurt.
    I've yet to see any quality site with 0 PR and > 1 year age. All my own satellite sites have PR.


    Such links don't worth more anyway. Link on a page with actual PR2, when paid monthly, would cost about $1-$2/month max for me, and there's no reason to pay more than 6-12 month price for perpetual PR2 links, as you may never know what will happen with donor site in these 6 month.
     
  7. Netvertiser

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    That's what I was thinking. If the market wants other metrics and you have them why advertise PR. I'd advertise PR next to the metrics but not base on PR alone. Like everyone got caught with their pants down and worked on PR alone and now they are left with PR and no other thing for the show.
     
  8. Netvertiser

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    You really make it tough for all the people that market PR alone, haha. If that's what you are after then these folks must have other metrics in good shape as well. In that case "no PR, no deal" makes no sense to me because PR0 and good ranks do exist.
     
  9. Bartholomew

    Bartholomew Regular Member

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    Yeah, I became very picky to the donor pages recently. I use my own old satellite sites most of time, but when I buy (or, much more often, find a way to put a link for free) I go after pages with all the characteristics mentioned above. It is especially important for Sape links, as many sites in Sape are too shitty and dangerous to put a link on regardless of the page PR. So the page should have PR to give my site some link juice, and other pages must rank high in SERP, to make this juice sweet, not bitter :)

    Selling is hard, sure. But this is the problem of sellers.