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What's your sign, and is it accurate?

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  1. Exxtra

    Exxtra Junior Member

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    I'm a capricorn...yes, the goat. Overall I think the descriptions of a person born under this sign fit me 90% of the time...moreso than the descriptions for the other signs. I'm not a superstitious person but I there seems to be something to it. Coincidence? Maybe...but it can be used for gauging both personal and business relationships with other people. Does anyone else find that their personality is a lot like their sign, or is it not even close for you?
     
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    I don't know what my sign means. I do know the two girlfriends that I got along best with were both pisces.
     
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    That stuff is fiction.
     
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    I don't discredit it as fiction because the signs are based on stars, and we are all made from stars, so there is a connection.
     
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    That is quite possibly the most logical and intelligent argument I've ever heard. Dude, you smoke more weed than me!
     
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    I have been into Astrology for about 10 yrs now. First it's not just your sun sign that you need to look at. It is your entire natal chart that will describe you, but you also have free will so it will show you the ways you will lean towards in emotions, thoughts, and actions. But you can always choose how you act.

    After all that my Sun sign is Gemini and I am very much like it. Your 3 most important signs are your Sun, Moon, and Rising.


    Finally something on BHW that I am not a newbie at lol. :D
     
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    Signs are nothing more than astronomical interpretations of cosmological events that occur over long periods of time and attribute special meanings to something that is nothing more than scientific facts mixed in with coincidence and a lot of dumb people ready to believe in something that gives a meaningful significance to our meaningless lives.
     
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    If someone believes in astrology in the purest sense, they fit into one of 4 cases:

    1. Don't care that much about how the world works so might as well go with something that looks fun/comforting (most cases)
    2. Poorly educated (self or school)
    3. Stupid
    4. Mad

    Astrology is a gross distortion of the true connection we have with the stars, namely the by-products of nuclear fusion. Their shape and pattern as they appear from earth have nothing to do with it.
     
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    wow. best. logic. ever! :D

    Anyways, I'm a Gemini and overall it happens to be extremely accurate. As for whether or not my personality has anything to do with when I was born or is just a coincidence.... if I reincarnate and get born in a different month, I'll let you know. :)
     
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    Most often they are merely a combination of the 4.

    Do not forget that over 80% of the entire human race believes in some form of religion, deity or whatever, but I won't ever further this subject because, first it's against the forum rules and second this is a marketing forum not another religious nut forum.

    I will only leave a personal note here, I do understand why it is against the rules to speak about religion and whatever, respect everyone and anyone seems like a very noble thing on the surface.

    But I share the conviction that respecting stupid people who believe in something so ridiculously stupid and moronic like a god watching over all of reality is enabling the continued existence of something that in most aspects is nothing more than a mental disease.

    I do believe that every rational people that binds themselves to some level of logic deserve to be respected no matter what, but people who go on and engage in a irrational, illogical argument that makes them as much incoherent as someone being held in a nut house doesn't deserve a different type of respect than the one you would give to a retard.
     
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    Wow so many astrology haters here lol.

    Well for me it's just personal experience. I haven't seen/done someone's chart that was wrong so far.

    1.I don't care about comfort. As I don't use it as a crutch and am really undecided about religion/god. Tho I do find it interesting. I also would have no problem with there being no god.

    2. I am technically only a high school graduate, but went to college and received high grades. If I were to ever decide to have a career that required college I would go back.

    3. I'm not stupid.

    4. Last I checked I wasn't crazy. ;)

    I don't believe I fit into any of these classifications. I just find people fascinating and love to know why people act the way they do. Whether that includes astrology or psychology. :)
     
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    1) Are you saying that science is the only interpretation of how the world or the universe for that matter works? Do you BELIEVE in science and have faith in its ability to answer all of our questions?

    2) Sharing knowledge is a good thing, but education is a distortion of shared knowledge. Most education is presented in such a way that it is the only correct way of thinking, and does not foster exploration or open-mindedness.

    3) Stupid people can be described as those who are unable to learn. If you are limiting what you accept to be true or not based solely on what you can see, you are in fact falling into the description of stupid.

    4) Crazy people believe they are normal and you are crazy...it's really a matter of perspective.

    Astrology and Astronomy were actually grown from the same seed, but as science and spiritualism diverged they became more independent of each other.

    So you're saying that we're nothing more than the sum of our parts? A few by-products of nuclear fusion?
     
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    I understand what you are trying to say, you are probably one of those rare people who is actually intelligent but is unable to comprehend certain basic things.

    I completely agree with you on the education topic, I do agree that education is taught as both a political agenda and as a means of mass educating a entire society to think equally.

    But when you come and openly question science, I have to tell you that you are being somewhat limited in your thought process.

    Science is not a collection of all collective knowledge and consensus we have today, no, most people think so, but science in it's most purest form is about the method of gathering knowledge.

    Science is about the methodical process of gathering knowledge through deductive reasoning, experimentation and confirmation of anything and everything.

    Religion, and everything in the metaphysical realm is about INDUCTIVE knowledge, and everything in the inductive though process is completely counter scientific.

    You invent, create, theorize the end, god for example, and you use every little bit of asynchronous shred of argument to make proof that there should be a god.

    Science is about understanding the mechanics of something down to it's simplest, deepest level, when you prove something through the use of the scientific process, you would know that the set of rules you've just discovered will work in any situation or event for that particular system.

    Not unlike Tarot or Astrology, where you have someone predicting the same limited amount of things over and over again that through the law of averages they are bound to be right every once in a while.

    Science is not right every time, you're right about that, but this isn't due to the fail of deductive logic and the scientific process, no, this is only due to our limitations and errors as human beings.
     
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  14. Exxtra

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    Yes, I am familiar with the scientific method but the fatal flaw of said method is that we can only test what we can observe. If you add speculation to fill in the blanks with science, aka theories, then you are no longer conducting science. So knowing that we have to be able to make observations to draw conclusions with the scientific method, one cannot solely rely on science alone for answers.

    Science is also a very politically-driven field. Who do you think funds research? Univerisites get grants, and people who get grants get noticed. They may get commendations or prizes for their efforts...this leads to a lot of PSEUDOscience, by which people use false, unrelated or unproven "scientific data" to further an agenda. Case in point? Global warming...it's the leading "me too" field for unambitious people in certain scientific fields.

    Religion is more about control. It's a way to use the general ignorance of people to get them to act and live a certain way...sometimes it is a lifestyle, but anytime you need to conform to a group mentality which is typically dictated by some "higher authority", you are submitting to control. On the other hand, spirituality can be likened to scientific theory - you're filling in the blanks with answers that seem to fit based on what you know or think you know. A scientific mind will fill the unknown with theoretical equations and hypothesis, while a spiritual mind my use a more imaginative approach that attempts to personify the mysteries of the universe.

    This plays into the question I asked in my last post...and by what you say here, can you truly understand a person simply by being aware of the fundamental elements that make up their body? We're basically water and carbon - so does know that let you understand us better?
     
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    i am a gemini and yes the gemini is described as
    Gemini go everywhere together, hand-in-hand, symbolizing your dual nature. Our world comes in pairs: good and evil, male and female, in and out, yin and yang -- and you Geminis are living proof. Some might say Gemini are an entanglement of paradoxes, but the truth is that Gemini have an easy acceptance of opposites. Gemini world is one of duality. Gemini can like this and that, one thing and its opposite. It's like you see your world through a radio and Gemini can tune experiences and points of view in and out as your interests change.
    You Geminis are curious, talkative, versatile and mentally active. Your mind can bounce around from one topic to another with great ease, making Gemini the champion of cocktail party chatter and lighthearted social encounters. Others will think that Gemini are fun to be with, but your ability to change with the changing winds can also lead others to see Gemini as shallow.
    Gemini motto might be "A rolling stone gathers no moss." You are the eternally youthful child, no matter your chronological age. A razor-sharp wit can have you verbally dueling with the very best of opponents, who moments later are your best of friends. As you fly through life, don't forget to take time to smell the flowers.
    Element: Air
    The astrological element of air represents movement. And the most efficient movement between two points is often a thought. Air signs are thinkers. They emphasize the intellect over other functions. With active minds and a good command of language, the air signs are the natural born communicators. They can be light and breezy as the breath of spring, but their words can also carry the power of a gale force wind.
    The air of Gemini is always changing direction. First the winds blow one way, then another. It's a metaphor for how our mind solves a puzzle, first thinking one way and then trying a different approach. This is a restless and searching wind.
    Third House: Communication
    The Third House symbolizes all aspects of communication -- and most communication happens within our immediate environment. Therefore this is also the house of our surrounding. Traditionally, this includes the type of interactions that happen between siblings, whether or not you actually have any. It also represents quick trips and short-distance travel.
    Key Planet: Mercury
    Mercury, the Messenger of the Gods, moves around the Sun faster than any other planet. He symbolizes our thoughts -- not only how we think, but how we communicate. In fact, Mercury is in charge of all language. Mercury is our active and rational mind. It is not only "just the facts" but also what we do with them. As the key planet of Gemini, Mercury is restless and changeable. It drives us to talk and to listen, but not necessarily to action.
    Gemini Greatest Strength: Your curiosity about a variety of interests
    Gemini Possible Weakness: Distracting yourself from what is most important






    Yes copy paste whooped...... and yes all above explains me to a tee...
     
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    I did not really want to get into debating the scientific method vs faith here. All sorts of things might be true, and there is a vast amount we do not know.

    But just ask yourself - how could astrology possibly work? The very premise is ridiculous.

    When a rationalist like Dillusion or myself comments negatively on a new agey, faith-ish sort of thing like astrology, the natural response is usually "science doesn't know everything, how do you know that your way of finding out about the world is the best? The scientific method is flawed"

    This is correct, it is not perfect. But it is many hundreds of times better than astrology as a way of knowing about the world (i.e. the stuff around us, whatever it is). We know this because we take what science says should happen when we do a, and when it pretty much does happen that way, we say "current theory states that when we do a, this happens". The theory can be revised at any time, as the evidence from the world around us dictates.

    Astrology, however, flies in the face of all evidence. When we do a, what astrology says should happen almost never happens. Astrology produces few objectively testable scenarios, and those it does produce, it fails in miserably. Take, for example, the case of twins born seconds after one another. They are immediately separated at birth. One goes to an orphanage, is abused, has a terrible life and dies aged 12. The other is adopted by a loving foster family who nurture and educate it to become rich and fulfilled. Under astrological principles, this should not be possible.

    All ways of knowing about the world are stories, as we cannot ever be 100% sure we are right. However, some stories are better than others.
     
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    In addition to not answering any of my questions (because you can't, most likely) you're missing a key point - there is no "truth" or "right". Those are simply concepts invented by humans. It is just our opinion of how things are, based on our limited perceptions of that which we call reality.

    This universe, everything in it, the interactions between subatomic particles up to supergiant stars, are all simply our own unique view of what is "real". Think of it this way...if you were the size of an atom, how would the universe appear to you? The same things will affect you differently depending on your perspective, and you will perceive entirely different things based on your scale (atom size vs normal size).

    It doesn't really matter what you put your faith in...people look to science, astrology, religion whatever for answers that let them live their life. For anyone to say science is the only acceptable way to approach life is no different than a priest saying that you have to repent or you will not have salvation.
     
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    I think that you really think correctly about several different topics, specially when you stated that religion is about control, I'm completely with you on this one.

    When you commented about the fact that science is very influenced by political, social and economical factors, you are merely paraphrasing me from my previous post, when I said that the main factor that causes science to fail several times is not the scientific method but the scientific man.

    I once again argue that deductive reasoning coupled with the purest use of scientific methodology is the unique way to reach a conclusion about the nature and mechanics of everything in existence.

    The misconception here is that most people aren't just satisfied in understanding the nature of the universe, they want to understand it's purpose, and it is in this point that I begin to strongly disagree with you, the perception of meaning and purpose is nothing more than a human feature, like pain, taste, consciousness.

    The assumption that there is a universal purpose merely because we are purpose driven animals, to assume that we have some secret feature that makes us more than a bi-product of nuclear fusion and stardust or even to assume that there is something more within existence besides what is within the observable and experimentable universe, to assume any of those things is nothing more than inductive reasoning, is merely imagining the universe in a desirable, beautiful way, compatible with our emotional and purpose driven existence.

    But the truth is that the universe is simple, and one thing that the scientific method has showed us, is that complex systems always emerge out of simpler ones and never the other way around.
     
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    Libran here: Italics = liez Bold = True

    These people are rarely lazy. They work hard, and also demand that their partners work just as hard. They have a strong sense of justice and fair play. It is pretty unusual for them to express anger, but when they do it is usually a storm.

    They are extremely positive and decisive in all their thoughts and actions. They have great foresight and intuition, and are generally seen at their best when acting on first impressions. The fear is usually well controlled so the typical representatives of this sign usually looks calm, collected, and in charge of the situation. Good natured and loving, they enjoy talking to people, yet can also be very attentive listeners.


    They are often very successful as speculators, but they have little regard for the value of money, and have as rule great ups and downs in their careers. Libra is a sign that values peace at all costs, and is very fair minded. People like being around Librans, for in the event of a dispute they will seek a compromise.

    People born in this time symbolize a "balance." They seem always trying mentally to balance things and get an even judgment.

    They are really successful, however, in making large circles of friends and acquaintances.
     
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    You are a relativist. A relativist believes that all knowledge systems are equally valid, and that we should not try to say a concept is correct or incorrect, no matter what the evidence suggests. It is a fad that has been going out of fashion in the philosophical community in recent years.

    Astrology is not a valid way of knowing about the world. This is because the signals we receive back from the real world in response to testing of the theories of astrology prove it to be bunk. Now, for you to set this at nought, and to say "so what - it doesn't matter if you believe things which are at odds with sense data - the only data we will ever have and therefore the bedrock of our reality", is quite a serious statement. It means we should never try to know the world, or have a more detailed relationship with it.

    You're saying that anyone can believe what they want, and although the cohesiveness of our society and our survival depends on correctly ascertaining some states of affairs to be right (dont kill yourself) and some to be wrong (jump off cliff), you would still have people believe just "whatever" because it matters to them. There is no ultimate proof that one thing is right and another wrong, but in life, we must make a choice.

    Basically, you are saying that nobody is ever wrong. This is a poorly defensible position.

    We can know the world to a reasonable extent. Some ideas are better than others.

    Any defence of astrology never tries to prove that astrology might work. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

    Tell me how astrology might work. Why should we believe in astrology?
     
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