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Whats the true 2011 'white hat' method of link building?

Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by amoildani, Jan 19, 2011.

  1. amoildani

    amoildani Registered Member

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    Almost every time i read through SEO blogs on white hat forums, or through SEOmoz or large SEO firms, I always see the same 'advice' in terms of link building: 'don't pay for directory submissions, don't use blog commenting as linking, don't do link exchanges/reciprocal linking, link wheels, etc etc". I completely understand their position of not wanting to promote or engage in gray-hat tactics, however, i almost never see them give a solution to how it should be properly done.

    ive worked at seo agencies in the past that rely mostly on link builders submitting to blogs and directories as the way of gaining rankings (with great success). Is it that a lot of these seo companies claim to be pure and clean, while in reality they are engaging in the same gray hat tactics?

    what do you consider to be the true white hat method of link building? slowly contacting related websites and hoping they respond allowing you to guest blog, or be featured on their homepage?
     
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    RalbertX Newbie

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    Good question I would like to know the answer to that as well.
     
  3. BassTrackerBoats

    BassTrackerBoats Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    There is no one true answer... there are many different effective ways of building white hat backlinks that are very effective and will be for years. I'd like to think that the service I offer is one of those methods that will rock for years to come and as things evolve so will the service.
     
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    since when has reciprical link exchange between one site and another been considered anything other than shining bright white hat?

    Same with Blog commenting

    It starts to go grey when you use spam / or automate it.

    Dont kid yourselves, just because this forum says Black Hat - doesnt mean all methods here are black hat. In fact i would say about 90% of methods / tips in this forums are white hat - Grey at worst. Either way, this forum is the place to be to learn and succeed
     
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    White hat method takes you 6-12 months to rank a website well whereas black hat one makes it in 1-2 months. Make your choice ;)
     
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    The one that nobody wants to hear about or do still works for me -- me taking an hour every day and making honest, thoughtful contributions to related forums and blogs. Use links in your message when you can and use a straightforward signature line and link in your profile. It's a slow and painful process, but continually sends profitable traffic to my sites from real human beings who actually read, appreciate, respond to my posts, and --wow!-- buy stuff :)

    And hey, Google even picks up some of the links...
     
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  7. craigslistguy

    craigslistguy Regular Member

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    Grey Hat is the Best Hat
     
  8. amoildani

    amoildani Registered Member

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    im in no means saying that the tactics i listed are black hat, im just restating what i read on 'legitimate' seo blogs. I personally use almost all the tactics i listed and they were great. However, im curious to understand more about the 'pure' methods. I try to never do anything blackhat or dangerous for my clients, as that might cause some serious issues if they were to be sandboxed.

    Maybe, as was posted above, its simple the difference between automated and manual. if you post on forums manually, and actually contribute, then thats considered ok. but if you use auto blogger with scrapebox, youve dwelved into the dark side.
     
  9. Monrox

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    Well you offer good content and that's it. From time to time you contact webmasters in you niche and ask for a link because everybody loves the comeptition, tries to be as useful as possible to the user, and doesn't care about authority and pr and all these irrelevant things.

    Then all you have to do is wait for your site to climb up the rankings. It will happen in approximately 100 years, give or take 20.

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    In case you haven't noticed all these seo blogs are chewing the same unconfirmed stuff over and over and over again. This produces meaty paragraphs of text but is not saying anything actually useful. They are interested in clicks, just like you and me.

    Don't blame the owners though, they are just using stuff to their advantage.

    What actually works is great content backed up with as many links as you can get. Editorial ones are the best but nobody in their right mind will give them away for free. So comments and profiles still rule.

    SEs are already very good in counting the BLs and now try to invent algos to recognize good content for cheap. That is why the old truth still holds true: you need BLs to get to the top and content to stay there.
     
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    Produce "Linkable Content". In other words, link baiting!
     
  11. fvcktheworld

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    In my opinion one of the best backlinking strategies is articles. They have been and will be around for a long time. Also as stated above the legit blog comments that are meaningful and not spammy are great. Forum signatures are also a great way to get backlinks.

    Did you ever think that these people are telling you what not to do because it works for them and they are not giving you a solution because their what not to do is actually the solution? Just something to think about.
     
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    Exactly,

    Just like im sure happens here on BHW, but people here can usually weed out the BS a little better. And its a little better community since most internet people consider it "bad" and wouldnt join, not even out of curiosity...

    Good keepem away!!
     
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    Google described white hat as wait for a site of authority and importance to give links to you... which is BS if you ask me, why not buy an old high PR site and get links from there.
     
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    I totally agree.

    I've had the best results in 2010 through building link wheels of mass proportion.
     
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    i totaly agree... if you do your homework... you will notice white hatters get shitzt on by under the radar BH's selling all kinda of stuff under the sun.
    Warriors forum... anyone???

    so if you do your homework and keep you techniques relavent and (performing) you will succed much better and longer..

    if you know what to look out for....and how to fight back with hatter tricks.. then you my friend are solid

    just make sure to keep the gray hat of nutrality... and not get cuaght spammin


    Rob
     
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    Yes please I am still waiting on Guru to give the answer, its easier this way,
    retard
     
  17. dannyhw

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    True white hat? Best way to go about it is to find extremely high ranking relevant sites and create some content that they would want to post. That's the best type of link building you can do black gray or white.

    With other gray hat methods, they may work but they're not for everybody. That's why these guys are hesitant to recommend them. In a low competition niche, someone might be able to use directory submissions, link wheels, etc in enough volume to rank, but not enough to get sandboxed.

    You have to remember these guys main audience aren't affiliates who are all creating link wheels to compete with each other, they're consultants who have to compete in some serious arenas. My SEO clients paid a minimum of $16,500 / month. If I took someones advice and it got me sandboxed, their reputation would be in serious danger.
     
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    $16,500/Month? You must be doing something really really well. I'm not even sure I would have the nuts to say that is what I charge. But good for you on that.
     
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    Believe it or not, consulting for a client with a decent budget is a lot easier than doing black hat. I was able to dominate with PPC and organic all across the financial services industry keeping everything white hat.

    And I WISH that's what I was making. That's what my former employer was charging for my services. Of course he was the one who sold all these clients so he got to determine the compensation. You know, taking them out to play golf and whatnot while I slaved on the campaigns. At least I built up those credentials though.
     
  20. cloakndagger

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    There is no "magic bullet".I'm leaning towards all hat lol.You can use scrapebox to find very relevant forums etc(blackhat tool) you can manually submit if you wish (whitehat) or a little bit of both manual and auto (greyish).Yes all methods can get you ranked.

    I am new to blackhat but see massive potential but there is no need to overdo it.If you use scrapebox get 1k of relevant sites and blast them it's going to have a long lasting benefit.What it take a scrape with the right keyword and then filter it down and you have a very powerful set of sites for your niche.
    By all means blast your sub sites (web 2.0 pages,link wheels etc) I'd never touch my main sites with spammy crap but I admit spammy crap has a purpose.

    If you can somehow get your link on a high pr .gov then you have a huge advantage but that alone is not enough.
    Fact is as has been mentioned you have to be consistent.If you are into trends then black hat is your best friend there is no other way to rank fast enough to cash in.