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What's the problem with domains that have been used as PBN?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by bazdeniro, Mar 30, 2016.

  1. bazdeniro

    bazdeniro Newbie

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    When searching for good domains for my PBN, I often come across good domains with good metrics and decent backlinks. But then you check Wayback machine, you can see they've been used as a PBN site previously or they've had crawlers blocked (obviously a PBN).

    These domains are often going dirt cheap.

    So what's so bad about them? If they still have a good backlink profile and haven't been used to advertise anything bad on them, then surely they must still pass on some good juice?

    What are people's thoughts on this?
     
  2. OutOfContext

    OutOfContext Junior Member

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    Have been wondering the same thing. Perhaps one thing we should ask ourselves is: if the site was part of a PBN and everything was okay, then why did the previous owner let it expire? Could indicate a deindexed PBN or penalised money site, thus "tainting" the PBN sites. Would appreciate some input from the experts though.
     
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    Well in that case, you never know if the website was deindexed (while being used as PBN) or maybe it is carrying a penalty. It is best to avoid such domains.
     
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    Most people avoid them because there's a higher probability that they're deindexed. Perhaps, you should buy a bunch of them and see the percentage that are deindexed. If it's a low number then perhaps buying these domains are worth it.
     
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    How do you guys know if the domain was ever used as PBN using Wayback? I do check Wayback but don't find any such information.
     
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    sorry wrong thread. mods please delete this post
     
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    Most of the time there's a reason the previous owner let them expire. No one throws away domains that rank him.
     
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    I don't personally buy such domains. These domains probably have been de-indexed , that may be the reason previous owner let them expire.
     
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    When de-indexed they are worthless but sometimes there are some good old PBN domains available. Some SEO companies let PBN domains expire by default after say 2 years or something just to keep their PBN fresh and less of a footprint. Those domains can be useful.
     
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    There's a reason they expired, stay away.
     
  11. bazdeniro

    bazdeniro Newbie

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    Thanks for the feedback. The indexing thing isn't an issue as a lot of these are still indexed, but I'm a bit of a cynic and as people have pointed out, it's odd that someone has dropped them. Unless they just couldn't get their sites to rank and gave up.

    I'll probably steer clear, I'm intrigued, but I'm trying to build a quality network and it does look dodgy when you look on Wayback and see these obvious PBNs in the history.
     
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    You do everything still you might end up with dud. So there is a fair share of risk in buying expired domains, part of the game. You can only minimise the risk with all the checks and balances.
     
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    Not always it's bad. It all depends on backlinks ratio. Let's say, you get a cool domain with super backlinks. At some point someone bought it and built PBN. But - he didnt manage to build many spam backlinks to it. So imagine, 100 great backlinks and only 5 spam backlinks. Of course these 5 links are well blended and they don't influence on anything. So who cares if there was some or another site? Backlinks - is the only thing that matters.
     
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    I agree with this one. I personally built that used-to-be PBN just for the sake of testing and it's still up and running until now. As long as everything checks out, I think you're good to go.
     
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    Hit and miss on this stuff with most serious SEOs buying in enough bulk to easily identify the law of averages relative to the question of the value of these domains. They are largely de-indexed and/or carrying significant baggage. While you can occasionally find great opportunities here most purchases likely lead to bad outcomes. That's what is wrong with these kinds of domains. Statistically they end badly quite a bit more than they end well, and it adds up to unneeded domain expenses unless you are particularly skilled at recovering sites from penalty.
     
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    just make conform, it ill still active one or expired one